View Poll Results: What % of people you know personally would self-ID as liberal?

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  • Less thann 10%

    6 1.14%
  • 10% - 25%

    18 3.42%
  • 26% - 45%

    32 6.07%
  • 46% - 55%

    55 10.44%
  • 56% - 75%

    104 19.73%
  • 76% - 90%

    170 32.26%
  • More than 90%

    99 18.79%
  • Not sure

    43 8.16%
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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    What's funny is in my early 20s I also considered myself a liberal Democrat. But once you are willing to think these things through to their end results, and be honest with yourself?? For me anyways I ended up on the right.
    I always was on the right, I'm proud of having no heart.
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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You can pretend you weren't espousing the old ignorant view that liberalism is an affliction of the young that wears off with age, but it was clearly what you said.
    liberalism doesn't really wear off with age... radicalism does, however...and so does idealism.

    a young liberal might still be liberal in their later years, but they'll be far ,far more tolerant, and less idealistic ... same for old conservatives.

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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    My, and delusions of grandeur as well!
    Says the guy who thinks anyone with wisdom agrees with him. I'd be happy to debate you any day on social programs, global warming, ecology, women's pay, energy, etc.
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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    liberalism doesn't really wear off with age... radicalism does, however...and so does idealism.

    a young liberal might still be liberal in their later years, but they'll be far ,far more tolerant, and less idealistic ... same for old conservatives.
    Agreed 100%. Life has a tendency to scrub the polish off of even the nicest of things.
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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Says the guy who thinks anyone with wisdom agrees with him. I'd be happy to debate you any day on social programs, global warming, ecology, women's pay, energy, etc.
    Oh good, you'll end up with another addition to your sig, that you were wrong again?
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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It wasn't Churchill, there's no record he ever actually said that. It's a common misattribution.
    Completely beside the point: as the earlier poll shows, the theory doesn't look good when DP members are sampled.
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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Oh good, you'll end up with another addition to your sig, that you were wrong again?
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/battle...sifieds-3.html

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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    liberalism doesn't really wear off with age... radicalism does, however...and so does idealism.

    a young liberal might still be liberal in their later years, but they'll be far ,far more tolerant, and less idealistic ... same for old conservatives.
    Do older conservatives become more tolerant?

    (I don't know that many elderly conservatives, TBH, but I can't think of any particular examples.)
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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Do older conservatives become more tolerant?

    (I don't know that many elderly conservatives, TBH, but I can't think of any particular examples.)
    most people , regardless of political stripe, become more tolerant with age.

    as they grow up , most people discover that they have to live and work among other people with different beliefs... they generally also discover that they don't have all the answers, and never did.

    it's primarily young people who can't get a grip on other people believing other stuff... and of course, young folks believe they have the all answers (and are usually frustrated because us old bastards won't listen to them )

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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Some people don't like the idea that when they grow up, they'll realize that all the things they believe are nonsense?
    Fortunately that quote is not factually correct.

    The sad notion behind it is that caring about ideals and being compassionate towards people outside of your immediate circle of family and friends is a luxury for young people without responsibilities and that once you have reponsibilities you no longer care about ideals or the welfare of "others." It is true for many shallow people, but not everyone.

    There are also those who give up on their ideals and compassion because they decide that no solution can work after they experience that making the world better while trying to overcome so many people's resistance due to fear of change and/or greed and dealing with bureaucracy and incompetence is very difficult. Conservatism is largely the lazy way out of trying to acheive a better world.
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