View Poll Results: What % of people you know personally would self-ID as liberal?

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  • 10% - 25%

    18 3.42%
  • 26% - 45%

    32 6.07%
  • 46% - 55%

    55 10.44%
  • 56% - 75%

    104 19.73%
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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Liberal: believing that government should be active in supporting social and political change : relating to or supporting political liberalism...: not opposed to new ideas or ways of behaving that are not traditional or widely accepted...... associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives

    Conservative: believing in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society : relating to or supporting political conservatism...: not liking or accepting changes or new ideas a : tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : traditional
    ...c : marked by or relating to traditional norms of taste, elegance, style, or manners

    adapted from Websters online.

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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We've spent $trillions since the 60's and have little to show for it, and no one ever wants to try anything else. Anyone that even suggests something different is labeled a hater. That's all I have to say about that.
    Many of the people who want to eliminate or significantly alter government programs addressing poverty and expanding opportunities for the poor are motivated by dislike of the poor and/or minorities, are ideological opposed to government taking that role and/or have a financial interest in a privatized alternative. That is why their proposed alternative "solutions" to poverty are not trusted by those with genuine concern for the people at the bottom.
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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Many of the people who want to eliminate or significantly alter government programs addressing poverty and expanding opportunities for the poor are motivated by dislike of the poor and/or minorities, are ideological opposed to government taking that role and/or have a financial interest in a privatized alternative. That is why their proposed alternative "solutions" to poverty are not trusted by those with genuine concern for the people at the bottom.
    Some of those are valid reasons, but that's not even the point I was making. Liberals will never improve the programs that fail, just put more and more money into them.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    The above is so general as to be completely meaningless. All government activity involves "giving away other people's money to other people."

    And BTW, solving problems isn't an either/or deal. Lots of solutions make things less worse, but are still much better than nothing.
    Meaningless to you, but someone else responded just fine so don't worry about it.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Meaningless to you, but someone else responded just fine so don't worry about it.
    Because it was what you wanted to hear.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Because it was what you wanted to hear.
    No, but that's what YOU want to believe.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Of, course .. Define liberal .
    Social or economic , or both ?
    And then there are moderate and extreme ones ..
    Other( my vote) ; as I do not know than many people, and few openly reveal this ..

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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Some of those are valid reasons, but that's not even the point I was making. Liberals will never improve the programs that fail, just put more and more money into them.
    Then, American the Conservative, name one liberal program that has failed .
    For me, Affirmative Action comes to mind , IMO, this has NOT failed.

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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Then, American the Conservative, name one liberal program that has failed .
    For me, Affirmative Action comes to mind , IMO, this has NOT failed.
    You make my point, a liberal can never find anything wrong with any of their programs. Typical the results don't matter, it's whether they cared about the problem or not. Affirmative action has promoted people not based on qualifications for a job but because of race.
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    Re: How many liberals to you actually know?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Then, American the Conservative, name one liberal program that has failed .
    For me, Affirmative Action comes to mind , IMO, this has NOT failed.

    i can name quite a few

    but this article may be of interest

    CLARKE: Liberal policies have destroyed the black family


    The latest attempt by liberals to help black people is underway in our K-12 urban public schools.

    These do-gooders are now defining down socially acceptable behavior for black students in school. Bad behavior is being excused and attempts to hold black kids accountable by enforcing codes of conduct are called racist.

    Having a sense of discipline has always been considered a virtue, a redeeming quality, but now its roots are claimed to lie in racism.

    White liberal elites have chimed in about school codes of conduct.

    The Capital Times newspaper of Madison, Wis., recently chronicled bad behavior by black students in its public schools. In the story, Secretary of Education Arne Duncan said that racial discrimination in school discipline codes “is a real problem today.”

    The white superintendent of the Madison public schools believes that “we need to address head-on our racial bias and the assumptions we make of students who are in the classroom.”

    Really? Where I come from, bad behavior has always been unacceptable and is codified not by race but by societal norms to keep chaos from reigning.

    These watered-down student codes of conduct sweeping across urban public school systems will not help black parents, kids or communities. Like every other display of liberal empathy, they will have a reverse effect, and it will not be positive.

    All anti-social behavior and social pathology is normalized, and to disagree is racial stereotyping.

    What these race provocateurs do not want to admit is the reason we are seeing more disruptive behavior in schools is because of poor and ineffective parenting, manifested by liberal policies.

    There is a government program today for everything in the black community that used to be the responsibility of the individual, such as parenting. Because of this system, many parents have abdicated what is their most important responsibility and turned it over to the government.

    Uncle Sam is now raising their kids.

    We take kids out of the home with early childhood education programs, and the government feeds them breakfast, lunch and dinner, and provides after-school programs.

    CLARKE: Liberal policies have destroyed the black family - Washington Times


    war on race (another article on that)

    How the left’s embrace of busing hurt the cause of integration.

    it might be easier to list liberal programs you believe have succeeded.......
    “Most of the shadows of this life are caused by standing in one's own sunshine.”

    Ralph Waldo Emerson

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