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Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

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I can't speak for you or yours, but me and mine are safer with guns.


My extended family includes 20 people at present. Neither I, nor they, nor any of my known ancestors for the past 100 years, have ever had a serious accident with a firearm involving personal injury, nor have any of the above committed suicide by firearm, nor murder.

We have, however, had several incidents which might well have ended badly had we not been armed.


Therefore our family stats for 100 years would be:
Negative incidents: 0
Positive incidents: 7 I recall offhand.

So our ratio is positive 100%, or 7 to None.


I imagine it helps that my family has almost universally taught gun safety and shooting from an early age.
 
Ryan5 said:
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According to a NYT article. the household ownership rate is down from a high of 50% in the 70's to the low to mid 30's now. That isn't that significant, as there has been a decline in the number of hunters and those who shoot for sport and target over that time period. I know many people who own guns, and most of them are hunters. A few of them are collectors, and some of them just like to shoot.
 
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stupid anti gun irrational nonsense.

it shows that your motivation is hatred of the politics you perceive gun owners have
 
TurtleDude said:
stupid anti gun irrational nonsense.

it shows that your motivation is hatred of the politics you perceive gun owners have
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I'm sorry but it's very evident gun ownership is down whether you like it or not.


-Young people don't own guns save for rural areas which have low population. The younger generations are almost all staunchly anti-gun, of all races.

-Women are almost all anti-gun.

I come from a big US hunting family with tons of young relatives. NONE of them or us hunt. It's only the older generations that do/did.
 
Ryan5 said:
I'm sorry but it's very evident gun ownership is down whether you like it or not.


-Young people don't own guns save for rural areas which have low population. The younger generations are almost all staunchly anti-gun, of all races.

-Women are almost all anti-gun.

I come from a big US hunting family with tons of young relatives. NONE of them or us hunt. It's only the older generations that do/did.
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we don't know. what we do know is that in the last several years, the background checks conducted have set new records

what we do know-there is a huge ammo shortage even though the production of ammo and reloading components is at an all time high


what we do know is that firearms courses tend to sell out much faster than they did 10 years ago, and gun clubs-that never had wait lists for potential members now have often several year waits


women are the fastest group of growing gun owners. My wife often serves as an Range Officer for women only events at a local range-its packed

the training facility that I have been associated with since 1986 has far more women attending now than when I first started

most younger generations that are anti gun are ignorant. once they gain knowledge they are not anti gun

more and more people are carrying guns. when I first started carrying a gun, (1982) most states did not have shall issue CCW

now most do

most of us don't tell anonymous callers if we own guns

so what causes your silly anti gun nonsense? is it due to your age?
 
TurtleDude said:
we don't know. what we do know is that in the last several years, the background checks conducted have set new records

what we do know-there is a huge ammo shortage even though the production of ammo and reloading components is at an all time high


what we do know is that firearms courses tend to sell out much faster than they did 10 years ago, and gun clubs-that never had wait lists for potential members now have often several year waits


women are the fastest group of growing gun owners. My wife often serves as an Range Officer for women only events at a local range-its packed

the training facility that I have been associated with since 1986 has far more women attending now than when I first started

most younger generations that are anti gun are ignorant. once they gain knowledge they are not anti gun

more and more people are carrying guns. when I first started carrying a gun, (1982) most states did not have shall issue CCW

now most do

most of us don't tell anonymous callers if we own guns

so what causes your silly anti gun nonsense? is it due to your age?
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I just don't like militant-esq gun owners. They tend to be the worst order of, in no specific order (and I mean this for any race, white, black or mexican, actually ESPECIALLY mexicans):


-Loud burly type that is extremely closed minded and very clanish against anyone who they deem not conservative enough, which usually means almost everyone they haven't known for the last 5 years.

-They tend to be visibly overweight. Though they'd tell you they're in great shape.

-They tend to actually rely heavily on government institutions such as the military and public sector jobs for employment. But they're vocally anti-left anything.

-They tend to be alcoholics or ex alcoholics and or drug or ex drug users.

-They tend to be anti-intellectuals, which is to say, they basically viscerally hate anyone who doesn't have a beer gut and no arrest record. If you own a Polo shirt, Jesus, you must be a Communist killer of some sort.

-They tend to be the type that went through the early stages of life a drunk drug user who then later in life "Found Strong Values" and are all too ready to lecture you on those new found values.



Basically, lost old-school Democrats that now have nowhere to turn so they vote alongside capitalist bankers who openly hate them but let them keep their guns. Pffft.

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Ryan5 said:
I just don't like militant-esq gun owners. They tend to be the worst order of, in no specific order (and I mean this for any race, white, black or mexican, actually ESPECIALLY mexicans):


-Loud burly type that is extremely closed minded and very clanish against anyone who they deem not conservative enough, which usually means almost everyone they haven't known for the last 5 years.

-They tend to be visibly overweight. Though they'd tell you they're in great shape.

-They tend to actually rely heavily on government institutions such as the military and public sector jobs for employment. But they're vocally anti-left anything.

-They tend to be alcoholics or ex alcoholics and or drug or ex drug users.

-They tend to be anti-intellectuals, which is to say, they basically viscerally hate anyone who doesn't have a beer gut and no arrest record. If you own a Polo shirt, Jesus, you must be a Communist killer of some sort.

-They tend to be the type that went through the early stages of life a drunk drug user who then later in life "Found Strong Values" and are all too ready to lecture you on those new found values.



Basically, lost old-school Democrats that now have nowhere to turn so they vote alongside capitalist bankers who openly hate them but let them keep their guns. Pffft.

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where did you get this idiotic crap? from the VPC's coloring book for grade school socialists?

I see none of your idiotic rants are about criminals proving that your whining about gun ownership is based on a left-winger's perceived and irrational stereotype of right wing gun owners

and you have the nerve to whine about "anti intellectuals? :lamo
 
TurtleDude said:
where did you get this idiotic crap? from the VPC's coloring book for grade school socialists?

I see none of your idiotic rants are about criminals proving that your whining about gun ownership is based on a left-winger's perceived and irrational stereotype of right wing gun owners

and you have the nerve to whine about "anti intellectuals? :lamo
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So wait I'm idiotic when you are in the same accusation using improper grammar?


Point proven..
 
Ryan5 said:
So wait I'm idiotic when you are in the same accusation using improper grammar?


Point proven..
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your claims about why you hate gun owners are pathetic. and my grammar is fine-you are whining about punctuation which is the refuge of someone who has lame arguments
 
A spectacular example of my common observation about how those who most loudly denounce “bigotry” and most piously proclaim their own “tolerance” very often prove to be the very worst, most intolerant bigots of all.

This is almost Poe-like, as if from someone intending to mockingly impersonate an extreme caricature of a “tolerant” liberal; hyperbolizing the hypocritical bigotry which most liberals display in a more subtle and discrete manner.

Ryan5 said:
I just don't like militant-esq gun owners. They tend to be the worst order of, in no specific order (and I mean this for any race, white, black or mexican, actually ESPECIALLY mexicans):


-Loud burly type that is extremely closed minded and very clanish against anyone who they deem not conservative enough, which usually means almost everyone they haven't known for the last 5 years.

-They tend to be visibly overweight. Though they'd tell you they're in great shape.

-They tend to actually rely heavily on government institutions such as the military and public sector jobs for employment. But they're vocally anti-left anything.

-They tend to be alcoholics or ex alcoholics and or drug or ex drug users.

-They tend to be anti-intellectuals, which is to say, they basically viscerally hate anyone who doesn't have a beer gut and no arrest record. If you own a Polo shirt, Jesus, you must be a Communist killer of some sort.

-They tend to be the type that went through the early stages of life a drunk drug user who then later in life "Found Strong Values" and are all too ready to lecture you on those new found values.



Basically, lost old-school Democrats that now have nowhere to turn so they vote alongside capitalist bankers who openly hate them but let them keep their guns. Pffft.

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Congratulations, Ryan5, on successfully mocking yourself and those of similar mind, to much more devastating effect than any of us among your opposition can easily manage.
 
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I voted other because it probably doesn't make a difference either way, but if you are sleeping around on your wife and she finds out then having a firearm in the home probably makes you less safe. ;)
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I voted other because it probably doesn't make a difference either way, but if you are sleeping around on your wife and she finds out then having a firearm in the home probably makes you less safe. ;)
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In which case, it isn't the gun that is the issue. This is not far off from the point I often make that those who have most to fear from others being armed, are those who would give someone else just cause to shoot them. I'm usually referring to criminals when I say this, but cheating husbands fit this point too.
 
I see a bunch of non-members have pissed all over this poll or one of the three anti gunners logged out and voted dozens of times
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I voted other because it probably doesn't make a difference either way, but if you are sleeping around on your wife and she finds out then having a firearm in the home probably makes you less safe. ;)
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Perhaps, but that gun may also help deter the cheating and thus keep the partner more safe from STDs. ;)
 
pbrauer said:
More Safe
Less Safe
I don't know
Other

(This thread is not about the 2nd Amendment or banning guns, its about personal choices.)
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I have never thought about owning guns made me feel safer or not. I suppose that is for those who live in the cities where crime is rampart. Owning guns has just been a natural part of my family, from me to my son, to my dad, grandfather and his father on back. Having guns in the hall closet is just the normal thing to do. I always figure almost everyone owned some. That is until I came across DP.
 
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Other. Safety, as defined as the absence of risk, is not attainable. Merely owning a gun, as with any tool, is only part of the equation - knowing how to use that tool and having it available at the time of need are also critical factors.

Perhaps a better way to look at it is - would you rather have a gun and not need it or need a gun and not have it?
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Exactly. People want a no risk environment which is unattainable. Overall, gun ownership increases safety, although ignorant people often do ignore basic safety and common sense resulting in senseless tragedies.
 
Rhiannon said:
Exactly. People want a no risk environment which is unattainable. Overall, gun ownership increases safety, although ignorant people often do ignore basic safety and common sense resulting in senseless tragedies.
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I still disagree with your (bolded above) assertion. That makes as much (or as little) sense as saying that circular saw, speed square and pencil ownership makes you a good carpenter. My point was that mere tool possession is only one facet of an effective self defense plan. Given that (nearly) everyone has the constitutional right to own and carry a gun it simply makes good sense to include firearms (at least safety) training as a normal part of public school education. When I went to public HS, I received driver eduction but not any gun education and yet we seem amazed that too many folks are ignorant about gun safety.
 
pbrauer said:
Nope, that's your logic, not mine Zyp.
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Please, do tell me exactly how my statement...which was using the argument you used in your post...is different in logic than what you stated?
 
Zyphlin said:
Please, do tell me exactly how my statement...which was using the argument you used in your post...is different in logic than what you stated?
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Walmart has really nothing to do with the story, that "accident" could happen anywhere, its the gun that is the issue not her little boy. I support her right to have a hand gun with her, however I think far too many people have them to feel a false sense of security. Trayvon Martin probably would be alive today if Zimmerman didn't have a gun with him. I don't own a gun and would not let one in our home unless it was a police officer that had it. My bother owned a gun and his grandson found it and committed suicide with it.
 
other

depends on the person
 
Why would I ever want "Joe Bob or Jamal Warez" to have a handgun at all times? I barely want either of them to exist, let alone be carrying around handguns..
 
Ryan5 said:
Why would I ever want "Joe Bob or Jamal Warez" to have a handgun at all times? I barely want either of them to exist, let alone be carrying around handguns..
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Do you feel as if you are the ruler of your fellow man? Their king or controller?

Like, you feel as if you have a right to choose whether or not your neighbor may carry a gun on her if she thinks it improves her personal protection?
 
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Federalist said:
Do you feel as if you are the ruler of your fellow man? Their king or controller?
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I just don't want idiots to have guns, which generally means most people.
 
Ryan5 said:
I just don't want idiots to have guns, which generally means most people.
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Okay, I hear you saying what you want. But that doesn't answer my question.

Do you feel as if you are the ruler of your fellow man? Their king or controller?

Like, you feel as if you have a right to choose whether or not your neighbor may carry a gun on her if she thinks it improves her personal protection?
 
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