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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    there is no shame in seeking help with mental diseases...

    And what is the Libertarian doing in Colombia eh? Do you have more economic advice for our brutal allies there?

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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by michijo View Post
    And what is the Libertarian doing in Colombia eh? Do you have more economic advice for our brutal allies there?
    it's none of your business what i'm doing anywhere.

    just go get help... you're not right in the head.

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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by michijo View Post
    The USA puts austerity plans onto the whole world through World Bank and IMF and Libertarian economics with CIA operations to remove leaders that are ebenficial to normal people. Like in Mexico, you saw an increase in immigration after NAFTA had sent so much subsidized agriculture into Mexico. Farmers couldnt compete. Unfortunately you are not mature enough to weigh the facts of American policies. That's why historically you saw more immigrants from Europe, but as we sent more austerity policies into the developing world, we have gained a reverse immigration from these lands.

    Austerity policies sound good if you are a Libertarian economist and work behind a desk in a university, or some crazy Republican, but its a fact that normal people run from austerity. And if the USA continues to back apparent fascist patrician type people overseas, and the way its run stateside,
    I think there are elements of oligarchial fascism operating as normal democracy
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    Believe whatever you want to believe, but I don't see what you claim to see.

    And you didn't actually answer my question: If the USA is such a terrible place why do so many people struggle to come here?

    BTW: I would report you to the FBI, but I suppose they already have you under surveillance.




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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Believe whatever you want to believe, but I don't see what you claim to see.

    And you didn't actually answer my question: If the USA is such a terrible place why do so many people struggle to come here?

    BTW: I would report you to the FBI, but I suppose they already have you under surveillance.


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    Over the years, reasons change, and so do methods. Why do do many immigrants try to get into western europe? Or if as the rightwing Americans so, Europe is a bad socialist commie place, why dont all the Europeans try to escape from this failed social democracy known as the E.U. into the USA, where it is so great?

    People now only come from developing nations, places where the IMF loans have through usury exacted a toll of privitization of resources such as water (See Bolivian water wars), and also the World Bank and IMF exact Libertarian style austerity cuts to healthcare, etc, and force massive deforestation in order to pay back the debt. In the Philipines, the forest used to save them from Typhoons. Now since the World Bank cut the payback for their usury, Philipines is one of the most deforested areas of Southeast Asia.

    Typhoon Haiyan shows the dangers of deforestation | Forests Climate Change

    Now people will want to immigrate to Europe, Canada, or the USA. This is only one of the many policies overseas that might cause incoming immigration. The Libertarian policies freeze wages for these people.

    Mexico's wages were frozen by the world bank loans. Imagine you are a Mexican and you are a big corn producer, that is your main product, and NAFTA begins sending subsidized midwestern corn and destroys your farms. In order to get the World Bank Loans, Mexico freezes wages.

    http://www.wilsoncenter.org/publicat...policy-nafta-0
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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    where did these hundreds of thousands of displaced mexican corn producers go? North to USA.

    shifting Mexican agriculture away from corn and displacing many hundreds of thousands of small-scale corn producers
    Subsidizing Inequality: Mexican Corn Policy Since NAFTA | Wilson Center

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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by michijo View Post
    Over the years,
    reasons change, and so do methods. Why do do many immigrants try to get into western europe? Or if as the rightwing Americans so, Europe is a bad socialist commie place, why dont all the Europeans try to escape from this failed social democracy known as the E.U. into the USA, where it is so great?

    People now only come from developing nations, places where the IMF loans have through usury exacted a toll of privitization of resources such as water (See Bolivian water wars), and also the World Bank and IMF exact Libertarian style austerity cuts to healthcare, etc, and force massive deforestation in order to pay back the debt. In the Philipines, the forest used to save them from Typhoons. Now since the World Bank cut the payback for their usury, Philipines is one of the most deforested areas of Southeast Asia.

    Typhoon Haiyan shows the dangers of deforestation | Forests Climate Change

    Now people will want to immigrate to Europe, Canada, or the USA. This is only one of the many policies overseas that might cause incoming immigration. The Libertarian policies freeze wages for these people.

    Mexico's wages were frozen by the world bank loans. Imagine you are a Mexican and you are a big corn producer, that is your main product, and NAFTA begins sending subsidized midwestern corn and destroys your farms. In order to get the World Bank Loans, Mexico freezes wages.

    Subsidizing Inequality: Mexican Corn Policy Since NAFTA | Wilson Center


    I don't care about any of the people you are crying for and don't have time to worry about them.

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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Either we have a lot of sarcastic poll participants, or DP is at a significant variance to the US public. 60% of Americans think having a gun will make you more safe, not less.


    IMO it varies greatly depending on factors like police response times, local crime rates, proper storage procedures, and individual ability to handle weapons safely. On the balance, I'd say it is more likely to cause harm than not, but probably not by much.

    If you live in a nice suburb with a low crime rate and a good response time, having a gun probably isn't going to make you more safe. Possibly less, since it's yet another thing which can cause major harm accidentally, or can facilitate suicide attempts.

    If you live in a rural area with a moderate- or high crime rate, and police response times are low, and you know how to handle firearms, I'd say it's possible you'd be more safe. Of course, in those types of situations crime might still be the least of your worries, since (non-firearm) accidents are a serious health & safety challenge in those environments. E.g. if you're using a band saw and cut something serious (or if you have a heart attack), and it takes 20-30 minutes for an EMT to arrive, you're in a much worse position than if you live in a city and it takes 10 minutes for the EMT's to show up.

    If you happen to have suicidal tendencies, having a gun in the house will almost certainly make you less safe. (If you don't have any suicidal impulses, owning a gun won't cause you to have them, so this isn't a problem for most people.)

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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    I live very close to housing projects and around a lot of little gangster types but I dont own a gun. I also hear gunshots coming sometimes from these projects where 100% African Americans live. My building is more mixed and has criminal background checks before they rent, but also is very African American oriented. Most of the hallways in my building have for some reason African American children black and white photos from the 1950s and 60s. All I have a is a wooden baseball bat and I dont even own a car. I just track-bike everywhere. If there is danger, I go into "ready to die or fight" mode. I have the ability to shirk off fear of death. I had cancer once and accepted death, then they cured it. I think because I wasnt afraid of death, it didnt kill me.

    Interesting about immigration now though eh? Its like before immigrants came for a better life or religious freedom, stuff the USA wasnt involved in. We werent limiting their freedom of religion in Europe. It was Europe doing that. Today though, the reasons for immigrating are that we are creating austerity situations in their lands. In other words, its as if we are taking away religious freedom from them in England in order to force them to immigrate here where we offer it. Who knows, maybe that was the deal the USA had with England all along, like exporting corn to mexico, force immigration.
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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
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    (This thread is not about the 2nd Amendment or banning guns, its about personal choices.)
    Depends. If you take the time to learn how to use a firearm appropriately, to store it reasonably, to educate yourself and your family about them; then it can reasonably increase your safety. If you're reckless and stupid, it'll decrease safety.
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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Depends. If you take the time to learn how to use a firearm appropriately, to store it reasonably, to educate yourself and your family about them; then it can reasonably increase your safety. If you're reckless and stupid, it'll decrease safety.
    I agree with this. If you know what you're doing, it can protect you from home invaders.

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