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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    as opposed to cities with gun bans like DC and Chicago?
    I guess he didn't like the Obama study I posted earlier, haven't seen him since. I suspect Obama didn't like the results much either.

    CDC Study: Use of Firearms For Self-Defense is

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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Okay, you might find this interesting. This was a study by the CDC, commissioned by executive order, by Obama. Gee, I wonder why the findings weren't widely reported. Has anyone ever heard of this? All of the supporters of this study are Obama supporters. I am guessing the results weren't what they were hoping for. CDC Study: Use of Firearms For Self-Defense is
    And the link you provided give excerpts from a book which can't be read online. For instance, using the link you gave, there is NO way to verify what they consider a "defensive use" of a firearm, nor how the data for that particular claim was compiled.

    Not only that, if firearms were an effective crime deterrent, then America would NOT have the very worst homicide rate (the vast majority of it gun-related) out of all first-world nations.

    You can make all the claims you want, but you cannot get around that last sentence. That's something you can't explain away.
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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Look up ^^^

    The study commissioned by Obama estimated that guns are used defensively 500,000 to 3,000,000 times a year. I'd say that qualifies as "often".
    Except for the fact that the link you provided referenced a book which cannot be read online...which means that NO, you haven't provided any solid proof. In an online debate, you can't just say, "it's in this book" that we can't read without spending our hard-earned money for it.

    That, and America has the highest homicide rate out of ALL first-world nations. If guns were an effective deterrent, then America would NOT have the highest homicide rate. You can't get around that simple fact.
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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And the link you provided give excerpts from a book which can't be read online. For instance, using the link you gave, there is NO way to verify what they consider a "defensive use" of a firearm, nor how the data for that particular claim was compiled.

    Not only that, if firearms were an effective crime deterrent, then America would NOT have the very worst homicide rate (the vast majority of it gun-related) out of all first-world nations.

    You can make all the claims you want, but you cannot get around that last sentence. That's something you can't explain away.
    that's really stupid

    if gun bans made people safe, chicago and DC wouldn't have any homicides



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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Except for the fact that the link you provided referenced a book which cannot be read online...which means that NO, you haven't provided any solid proof. In an online debate, you can't just say, "it's in this book" that we can't read without spending our hard-earned money for it.

    That, and America has the highest homicide rate out of ALL first-world nations. If guns were an effective deterrent, then America would NOT have the highest homicide rate. You can't get around that simple fact.

    why do white americans-who per capita have the highest rate of gun ownership in America and in the first world, have lower rates of firearms crimes than whites living in gun restricted eurosocialists nations

    and why do blacks living in Democrat controlled anti gun cities have so much higher rates of gun violence than whites living in gun friendly GOP run areas?



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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Except for the fact that the link you provided referenced a book which cannot be read online...which means that NO, you haven't provided any solid proof. In an online debate, you can't just say, "it's in this book" that we can't read without spending our hard-earned money for it.

    That, and America has the highest homicide rate out of ALL first-world nations. If guns were an effective deterrent, then America would NOT have the highest homicide rate. You can't get around that simple fact.


    Well, carry on being unarmed then. I don't care; it is your right to do so.


    Me, I'll continue going armed anyway, thanks.

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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    as opposed to cities with gun bans like DC and Chicago?
    And city-wide bans are and always will be utterly ineffective since it's so incredibly easy to drive from one county to another. That's why the proper comparison is state-to-state.
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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And city-wide bans are and always will be utterly ineffective since it's so incredibly easy to drive from one county to another. That's why the proper comparison is state-to-state.
    I guess you cannot figure out that breaking the law is breaking the law

    its what you gun banners always engage in

    you push for stupid laws that we tell you won't work and which you know won't work

    and when the don't work, you use that as an excuse to demand more gun laws and when the second round doesn't work you demand a third round

    you are impervious to logic proving your moronic laws don't work to control crime because controlling crime was never your goal in the first place-its harassing conservatives and/or pandering to the slow witted voters who want SOMETHING TO BE DONE

    ever notice EVERY fan of gun restrictions on DP are progressives or far lefties?

    sorry Glen-the crap you peddle doesn't work



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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And the link you provided give excerpts from a book which can't be read online. For instance, using the link you gave, there is NO way to verify what they consider a "defensive use" of a firearm, nor how the data for that particular claim was compiled.

    Not only that, if firearms were an effective crime deterrent, then America would NOT have the very worst homicide rate (the vast majority of it gun-related) out of all first-world nations.

    You can make all the claims you want, but you cannot get around that last sentence. That's something you can't explain away.
    Alright, I'll see if I can find any info at the CDC, you know, like you could've done. Are you afraid it will turn out badly for your side?

    Do you have hard numbers to prove a direct correlation? If guns aren't a crime deterrent, why did the study commissioned by Barack Obama conclude otherwise? How do you get around that?
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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Alright, I'll see if I can find any info at the CDC, you know, like you could've done. Are you afraid it will turn out badly for your side?
    why bother? if you think crime control or I should say, the failure of gun control to control crime means anything to gun banners, you are sadly mistaken. Its all about harassing people who aren't far left loonies



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