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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    No, guns are often used in self defense. And any argument about whether or not guns make you safe, or, less safe must include this information, or the point is moot. Unless of course, your definition of "safe" doesn't include "safety".
    Got any hard-and-fast numbers from truly reliable sources showing how often they're used in self-defense?

    And while you're at it, if guns are used as often as you seem to believe in self-defense, why is it that - generally speaking - the homicide rates are significantly higher in gun-friendly states than in gun-unfriendly states?
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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Got any hard-and-fast numbers from truly reliable sources showing how often they're used in self-defense?
    I do not, but does that mean that variable should be ignored in a discussion about gun safety?

    And while you're at it, if guns are used as often as you seem to believe in self-defense, why is it that - generally speaking - the homicide rates are significantly higher in gun-friendly states than in gun-unfriendly states?
    I don't know, are they? Do you have any "hard-and-fast numbers from truly reliable sources" to back that up? While you're at it, produce "hard and fast" evidence of a direct correlation between "gun friendly states", and homicide rates. Is gun ownership significantly higher in these "gun friendly" states? What percentage of homicides involve law abiding gun owners in these "gun friendly" states?

    Take your time, I realize that's a lot of information to provide.

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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    More Safe
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    (This thread is not about the 2nd Amendment or banning guns, its about personal choices.)
    Depends on how serious you are about education and practice.
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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    We could poll those that have come close to suicide by other means, and ask them if they had a gun in their house, do they think they would be alive or not?

    I personally know someone who wouldn't be alive now had he had a gun (he has since recovered and regrets ever trying to commit suicide). You could also refer to this thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/tavern...ones-life.html - I don't know whether the subject of this thread would have or not, of course it's difficult to deal with hypotheticals.

    Regardless of whether you think this is a reason for gun control or not, it's a valid point Manc Skipper brings up and is silly to just plainly dismiss and snicker at.
    No it isn't and I would rather have people shoot themselves than jump in front of a truck and cause that person grief



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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Got any hard-and-fast numbers from truly reliable sources showing how often they're used in self-defense?
    Okay, you might find this interesting. This was a study by the CDC, commissioned by executive order, by Obama. Gee, I wonder why the findings weren't widely reported. Has anyone ever heard of this? All of the supporters of this study are Obama supporters. I am guessing the results weren't what they were hoping for. CDC Study: Use of Firearms For Self-Defense is

    The CDC’s findings - that guns are an effective and often used crime deterrent and that most firearm incidents are not fatal - could affect the future of gun violence research..
    Researchers compiled data from previous studies in order to guide future research on gun violence, noting that “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year.”
    “Most felons report obtaining the majority of their firearms from informal sources,” adds the report, while “stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals.”
    Researchers also found that the majority of firearm deaths are from suicide, not homicide. “Between the years 2000 and 2010, firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearm-related violence in the United States.”

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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I do not, but does that mean that variable should be ignored in a discussion about gun safety?
    If you can't show some hard-and-fast numbers about guns actually used in self-defense, then you can't claim that they are "often used".

    I don't know, are they? Do you have any "hard-and-fast numbers from truly reliable sources" to back that up? While you're at it, produce "hard and fast" evidence of a direct correlation between "gun friendly states", and homicide rates. Is gun ownership significantly higher in these "gun friendly" states? What percentage of homicides involve law abiding gun owners in these "gun friendly" states?

    Take your time, I realize that's a lot of information to provide.
    Generally speaking, the redder the state, the more 'gun-friendly' it is, right? Right. In the list below, there's two factors that play into those standings: one, the "gun-friendliness" of the state, and two, the level of poverty in that state. Michigan's got a LOT of economic problems...but even given Detroit's devolution, it's still safer to live there than in Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi.

    In other words, those states which are neither poor and least 'gun-friendly' generally did best, those who were both poor and most 'gun-friendly' did worst...and the rest are a jumble in the middle.

    List of states by 2013 murder rate (the site is a left-wing site, but drew the data directly from the FBI Crime Report):

    Louisiana 10.8
    Alabama 7.2
    Mississippi 6.5
    Maryland 6.4
    Michigan 6.4
    South Carolina 6.2
    Missouri 6.1
    New Mexico 6
    Nevada 5.8
    Georgia 5.6
    Illinois 5.5
    Arizona 5.4
    Arkansas 5.4
    Indiana 5.4
    Oklahoma 5.1
    Florida 5
    Tennessee 5
    North Carolina 4.8
    Pennsylvania 4.7
    Alaska 4.6
    California 4.6
    New Jersey 4.5
    Texas 4.3
    Delaware 4.2
    Kansas 3.9
    Ohio 3.9
    Kentucky 3.8
    Virginia 3.8
    Colorado 3.4
    New York 3.3
    West Virginia 3.3
    Nebraska 3.1
    Rhode Island 2.9
    Wyoming 2.9
    Wisconsin 2.8
    Connecticut 2.4
    South Dakota 2.4
    Washington 2.3
    Montana 2.2
    North Dakota 2.2
    Minnesota 2.1
    Massachusetts 2
    Oregon 2
    Maine 1.8
    Idaho 1.7
    New Hampshire 1.7
    Utah 1.7
    Vermont 1.6
    Hawaii 1.5
    Iowa 1.4
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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If you can't show some hard-and-fast numbers about guns actually used in self-defense, then you can't claim that they are "often used".
    Look up ^^^

    The study commissioned by Obama estimated that guns are used defensively 500,000 to 3,000,000 times a year. I'd say that qualifies as "often".

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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    That's crazy that you know 3 people shot, and 1 other killed, by guns on accident. That's horrible to hear.
    It was horrible. Especially the suicide. I actually offered to help him get off the drugs the night he killed himself. He had insurance and I attempted to talk him into going in for treatment. Drugs and alcohol have killed more people than guns.

    The 2 black men who I worked with claim they were innocent bystanders when they caught a bullet. Both shot from behind claiming they were fleeing a situation gone wrong. They clearly put themselves in harms way too often when I was with them. In our major cities there are gun battles every day. Only when someone important is killed or the media can spin it into millions of dollars such as hate crimes are they important. Black on black don't usually make it into the news.

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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Happens. It's actually MORE of an irritant that people screw with the polls. It's a little time consuming, but I don't mind fixing them. People think they're being "cute". I like showing them that they're not.

    Keep an eye out. Sometimes the fools come back and game them again.
    Just an FYI it appears to have returned to how it was.

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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Got any hard-and-fast numbers from truly reliable sources showing how often they're used in self-defense?

    And while you're at it, if guns are used as often as you seem to believe in self-defense, why is it that - generally speaking - the homicide rates are significantly higher in gun-friendly states than in gun-unfriendly states?
    as opposed to cities with gun bans like DC and Chicago?



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