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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If they have access to loaded guns they make you less safe.
    Adults too. Especially men.

    "Abstract

    Data from a US mortality follow-back survey were analyzed to determine whether having a firearm in the home increases the risk of a violent death in the home and whether risk varies by storage practice, type of gun, or number of guns in the home. Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9). Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence interval: 19.5, 49.6). Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.. "

    Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study
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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Adults too. Especially men.

    "Abstract

    Data from a US mortality follow-back survey were analyzed to determine whether having a firearm in the home increases the risk of a violent death in the home and whether risk varies by storage practice, type of gun, or number of guns in the home. Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9). Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence interval: 19.5, 49.6). Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.. "

    Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study
    As I pointed out earlier in the thread, that would have to be compared with data whereby having a gun in the home protected the inhabitants from harm. It is interesting data, but useless in and of itself, for the purposes of the subject of this thread.

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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    How do you quantify feeling safer when you're actually not?

    Pros And Cons Of Owning A Gun In The Home: Gun Safety and Security
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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    How do you quantify feeling safer when you're actually not?

    Pros And Cons Of Owning A Gun In The Home: Gun Safety and Security
    That article proves nothing of the kind.

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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
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    (This thread is not about the 2nd Amendment or banning guns, its about personal choices.)
    I don't think it makes anyone safer than they'd be without one. I often picture Linus carrying around his blanket. Murder is way down on New York and other states are reporting a drop in crime rates, so I don't think THAT has anything to do with carrying: criminals are not bothered by that. I know that states that have a lot of CCW and other such carry laws have the highest rates of gun violence, so I think safety is really against carrying guns.
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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I reject the question as it is asked.

    A handgun doesn't make one safe or unsafe what it does -- if properly trained to use it -- is it increases your ability to defend yourself from outside force. Be it against your person or property.

    WTF does being "safe" mean? Seriously, think about this.
    Safe: Less likely to be injured.
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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
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    (This thread is not about the 2nd Amendment or banning guns, its about personal choices.)
    One would think that it makes someone more safe...but the actual numbers show that it makes someone less safe, usually because:

    - people who are depressed or who have serious mental issues see it as an easy way out and commit suicide;
    - children find the guns and decide to play with them;
    - it makes it a lot easier for someone in the heat of anger (regardless of whether the anger is justified or not) to take things too far;
    - flat out accidents;
    - those who find themselves in real financial difficulty see that gun and decide that's a really easy answer to their financial difficulties instead of working through their financial difficulties; and
    - those who think that they might be in a dangerous situation decide to grab the gun instead of calling the police or running to safety.

    Yes, there are scores of millions of very responsible gun owners out there, and in a perfect world none of them would ever allow their firearms to be used for the wrong reason. Problem is, life happens. Marriages and relationships fail. Once in a blue moon the firearm is left where a curious child finds it (both my sons found unsecured firearms when they were little, and both got very, very lucky, thank God).

    Unfortunately, there's a whole lot of gun nuts out there who will read the above and think that none of it makes any sense.
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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    One would think that it makes someone more safe...but the actual numbers show that it makes someone less safe, usually because:

    - people who are depressed or who have serious mental issues see it as an easy way out and commit suicide;
    - children find the guns and decide to play with them;
    - it makes it a lot easier for someone in the heat of anger (regardless of whether the anger is justified or not) to take things too far;
    - flat out accidents;
    - those who find themselves in real financial difficulty see that gun and decide that's a really easy answer to their financial difficulties instead of working through their financial difficulties; and
    - those who think that they might be in a dangerous situation decide to grab the gun instead of calling the police or running to safety.

    Yes, there are scores of millions of very responsible gun owners out there, and in a perfect world none of them would ever allow their firearms to be used for the wrong reason. Problem is, life happens. Marriages and relationships fail. Once in a blue moon the firearm is left where a curious child finds it (both my sons found unsecured firearms when they were little, and both got very, very lucky, thank God).

    Unfortunately, there's a whole lot of gun nuts out there who will read the above and think that none of it makes any sense.
    Meaningless, if you don't compare it to data whereby guns protected people. But please, keep repeating the false mantra. Nothing is without risk.

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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Meaningless, if you don't compare it to data whereby guns protected people. But please, keep repeating the false mantra. Nothing is without risk.
    Guns are sometimes used in self defense - I've never argued otherwise. What's really hard to find, though, are those hard-and-fast numbers of guns used in self-defense.

    But that's not crucial to the argument. What IS crucial to the argument is the worldwide (and very strong) correlation between guns and crime: the more guns the general population of a nation has, the higher the homicide rate that nation WILL have when compared to nations with similar governmental styles. Likewise, the fewer guns the general population has, the lower the homicide rate WILL be in relation to nations with similar governmental styles.

    Yes, that's 'only' a correlation...but when the correlation is so very strong, and when it occurs in nations all around the world, then it's long past time to find out exactly why it is that there is such a strong correlation.
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    Re: Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Guns are sometimes used in self defense - I've never argued otherwise. What's really hard to find, though, are those hard-and-fast numbers of guns used in self-defense.

    But that's not crucial to the argument. What IS crucial to the argument is the worldwide (and very strong) correlation between guns and crime: the more guns the general population of a nation has, the higher the homicide rate that nation WILL have when compared to nations with similar governmental styles. Likewise, the fewer guns the general population has, the lower the homicide rate WILL be in relation to nations with similar governmental styles.

    Yes, that's 'only' a correlation...but when the correlation is so very strong, and when it occurs in nations all around the world, then it's long past time to find out exactly why it is that there is such a strong correlation.
    No, guns are often used in self defense. And any argument about whether or not guns make you safe, or, less safe must include this information, or the point is moot. Unless of course, your definition of "safe" doesn't include "safety".

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