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The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for mor

Do you support the NYPD work stoppage?

  • Yes, teach the mayor and protesters a lesson

    Votes: 7 21.2%

  • No, but officers refuse to any action with personal risks

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, work stoppage as a political tactic is not acceptable

    Votes: 21 63.6%

  • IDK/Other

    Votes: 5 15.2%
  • Total voters
    33
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

Visbek said:
I'm sorry, but that's insanely wrong.

The NYPD hasn't lost an officer in a traffic stop since 2007. In fact, the NYPD hadn't lost an officer since 2011, until this month.

It's a work slowdown. There's really no doubt about it.
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I should have clarified. It began with the San Diego Sheriff's dept. Then the law spread nation-wide to prevent such attacks. It's a great deterrance.
 
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DaveFagan said:
No, I don't support the NYPD in this matter. They are saying that if we don't let them kill people, they will kill NYC's cash cow, parking and traffic tickets. I think the Mayor should claim it has caused a cash shortfall and lay off about 25% of the NYPD due to lack of funds. You have to fight fire with fire.
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This isn't a response to anything but the politically motivated cold blooded murder of two of their police officers for no other reason than wearing the uniform.

They are now ensuring they are put into dangerous situations as little as possible.
 
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humbolt said:
True, the laws are there for a reason. However, why should the NYC police force risk turning the city upside down with more protests which place police officers in higher danger all for the sake of writing minor traffic tickets and such in light of the reaction to the Garner incident? It's not a matter of fear. It's all about police protecting themselves from further racial tensions so that they can do their most essential jobs with necessary assets to get it done. If Joe Blow doesn't get a traffic ticket for going 40 in a 25 mph zone, no real harm is done - except that the city doesn't get the revenue and the courts aren't clogged up with junk. Besides, you and I both know that even if Joe Blow gets that ticket, two weeks from now he'll be doing 40 in the 25 mile zone again anyway - just like Garner had already been convicted 9 times for the very same thing that did him in.
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I see your point and it's a good one, I just think that it's partially intimidation.

What if Joe Blow is going 40 in a 25 past a police officer and doesn't get pulled over. A mile down the road a kid jumps out in the middle of the neighborhood road and is killed because the car was going 40. Had the officer enforced the laws, said child would have had a chance at life.

That's my only reason for not fully agreeing with you. I do agree with your overall message though.
 
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11Bravo said:
The reason police are required to have back up while conducting things like traffic stops or small searches, is because of the frequency of them being killed in routine traffic stops when backup wasn't present. It happens so frequently they have to have back up. That's how ridiculous people are. Killing cops at frigging traffic stops.
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The two officers killed in NY were the first two killed in the line of duty in over three years. NYPD getting killed during routine traffic stops doesn't happen. Nor does it in Suffolk or Nassau counties where cops typically ride solo.
 
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humbolt said:
Asking police to enforce tax laws in NYC is pretty ridiculous, too. Remember, it's not either of us who's tasked with taking the flak that might arise for writing a parking ticket for someone with a chip on his or her shoulder, and looking for an incident to exploit. Once a police officer initiates enforcement of such a minor offense, the reaction of the apprehended citizen is largely beyond the police officer's control, as in the Garner case. It's better to focus on the real dangerous offenders in which the enforcement effort is more appreciated.
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Armed NYPD officers typically DO NOT write parking tickets. They are typically written by Traffic Enforcement Agents, who we locals used to call "Brownies" because of the brown uniforms they used to wear. A couple of decades ago they, as well as the Transit Police, which was also a separate agency, became a part of the NYPD. Traffic Enforcement agents are not armed and do not, as far as I know, have police powers.
 
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Gaius46 said:
The two officers killed in NY were the first two killed in the line of duty in over three years. NYPD getting killed during routine traffic stops doesn't happen. Nor does it in Suffolk or Nassau counties where cops typically ride solo.
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Please see my other response. I explained why it's a law in NYC, and all over the country.
 
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11Bravo said:
I see your point and it's a good one, I just think that it's partially intimidation.

What if Joe Blow is going 40 in a 25 past a police officer and doesn't get pulled over. A mile down the road a kid jumps out in the middle of the neighborhood road and is killed because the car was going 40. Had the officer enforced the laws, said child would have had a chance at life.

That's my only reason for not fully agreeing with you. I do agree with your overall message though.
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I understand completely. Bear in mind that police have no idea what the repercussions of not enforcing such laws could be at any given time. Here in Virginia in recent years we've had several state troopers murdered over misdemeanor traffic stops. The stops were not worth the officers' lives. Remember, no officer has any idea at the initiation of an apprehension of the emotional state of the offender or other crimes the offender may have recently committed. In heightened tensions such as we see in NY just now, why risk such an event without sufficient force to counter a possible reaction? In addition, a violent reaction may not be realized until days or weeks later on another completely unsuspecting officer - just as we've recently seen.
 
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Wait, arrests are down 66% and the city isn't burning to the ground?


They should make this policy permanent.
 
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Gaius46 said:
Armed NYPD officers typically DO NOT write parking tickets. They are typically written by Traffic Enforcement Agents, who we locals used to call "Brownies" because of the brown uniforms they used to wear. A couple of decades ago they, as well as the Transit Police, which was also a separate agency, became a part of the NYPD. Traffic Enforcement agents are not armed and do not, as far as I know, have police powers.
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I stand corrected. I was speaking generically. Around here, we don't have parking ticket writers. We have police officers that do all of that except in the very inner city, and that's quite small. I avoid large cities these days as much as possible. Actually, where I live there aren't any public parking spaces. Just roads, hills, valleys, fields, woods and streams.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Wait, arrests are down 66% and the city isn't burning to the ground?


They should make this policy permanent.
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I wonder if the loss of revenue is offset by the costs of enforcement. I admit I don't care enough to look.
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

11Bravo said:
Please see my other response. I explained why it's a law in NYC, and all over the country.
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It may be a policy in some agencies but it's certainly not universal. I was pulled over 18 months ago for an alleged traffic violation by SCPD (Suffolk County NY) and it was by a single car with a single officer in it. During my drive home last night I passed a single SC PD cruiser, lights flashing, sitting behind a car that he had pulled over. There was a single officer on the scene, standing next to the pulled-over car, speaking to the driver.
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

Gaius46 said:
The two officers killed in NY were the first two killed in the line of duty in over three years. NYPD getting killed during routine traffic stops doesn't happen. Nor does it in Suffolk or Nassau counties where cops typically ride solo.
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All cops, all across the country being killed by those they pulled over, doesn't happen either.

something like a 700,000 LEO's employed. doing stops day in and day out, every day....

62 killed by the person pulled over nationwide in the last decade.


It's very very rare.
 
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Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

humbolt said:
I stand corrected. I was speaking generically. Around here, we don't have parking ticket writers. We have police officers that do all of that except in the very inner city, and that's quite small. I avoid large cities these days as much as possible. Actually, where I live there aren't any public parking spaces. Just roads, hills, valleys, fields, woods and streams.
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I try to avoid the city too if I can. I live in the burbs now but still work in NYC and so have to go there 2-3 times a week. "Just roads, hills, valleys, fields, woods and streams" sounds wonderful. I'm jealous.
 
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Police are harassing people a third as often? Arresting black people for using drugs but not white people for using the same drugs in the same amount is happening a third as often? Good. This is closer to the level of police activity we should have had in the first place.
 
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Gaius46 said:
I try to avoid the city too if I can. I live in the burbs now but still work in NYC and so have to go there 2-3 times a week. "Just roads, hills, valleys, fields, woods and streams" sounds wonderful. I'm jealous.
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It's not for everybody, but I prefer it. I've lived in many different places from the city to the jungle (literally), but this is home to me.
 
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joko104 said:
The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for more serious offenses have dropped by 2/3rds.


NYPD traffic tickets and summonses for minor offenses have dropped off by a staggering 94 percent following the execution of two cops — as officers feel betrayed by the mayor and fear for their safety, The Post has learned.
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So basically, the cops have stopped wasting everyone's time with petty bull****.

documented orders from NYPD officials to search and arrest black people in the Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood.
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The result of this “performance culture”: needless summonses for minor violations (putting one’s feet on subway seats, playing chess in a park, failing to wear seat belts) and other quota-driven activity. This does not make for efficient policing.
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Gaius46 said:
I try to avoid the city too if I can. I live in the burbs now but still work in NYC and so have to go there 2-3 times a week. "Just roads, hills, valleys, fields, woods and streams" sounds wonderful. I'm jealous.
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Most New Yorkers live in the burbs, or the outer boroughs... Manhattan is full of people not from the NYC talking about how new york they are.
 
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Speaking of what conservatives want, this conservatives wants every one of the protesters identified and ALL policing in their areas to cease immediately. Call 911, no response from police. Btw, not serious for reality reasons, but it feels good to think about the assholes getting precisely what they want.

Look, the traffic stops and regulations the police have to enforce are the stuff of the city's politicians. The cops didn't make up these ordinances. Heck, it's even the politicians who tell them when to heavily enforce them and in what areas.

But really, traffic stops yield two things, income for the city and you find more warranted felons you've been looking for that way.
 
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clownboy said:
Speaking of what conservatives want, this conservatives wants every one of the protesters identified and ALL policing in their areas to cease immediately. Call 911, no response from police. Btw, not serious for reality reasons, but it feels good to think about the assholes getting precisely what they want.

Look, the traffic stops and regulations the police have to enforce are the stuff of the city's politicians. The cops didn't make up these ordinances. Heck, it's even the politicians who tell them when to heavily enforce them and in what areas.

But really, traffic stops yield two things, income for the city and you find more warranted felons you've been looking for that way.
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Oh I would be quite serious and agree completely. Anyone that protests 'the cops' should be on their own. That includes the mayor and Al Sharpton with his bogus death threat claims.
 
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Gaius46 said:
It may be a policy in some agencies but it's certainly not universal. I was pulled over 18 months ago for an alleged traffic violation by SCPD (Suffolk County NY) and it was by a single car with a single officer in it. During my drive home last night I passed a single SC PD cruiser, lights flashing, sitting behind a car that he had pulled over. There was a single officer on the scene, standing next to the pulled-over car, speaking to the driver.
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You're right, it's a disctrict law. However, the majority of districts and states have followed suit. Most major cities have this. It's nicknamed 'the buddy system' in the LEO community.
 
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humbolt said:
I understand completely. Bear in mind that police have no idea what the repercussions of not enforcing such laws could be at any given time. Here in Virginia in recent years we've had several state troopers murdered over misdemeanor traffic stops. The stops were not worth the officers' lives. Remember, no officer has any idea at the initiation of an apprehension of the emotional state of the offender or other crimes the offender may have recently committed. In heightened tensions such as we see in NY just now, why risk such an event without sufficient force to counter a possible reaction? In addition, a violent reaction may not be realized until days or weeks later on another completely unsuspecting officer - just as we've recently seen.
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Well regardless of the reasoning, at least it's working.
 
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clownboy said:
Speaking of what conservatives want, this conservatives wants every one of the protesters identified and ALL policing in their areas to cease immediately. Call 911, no response from police. Btw, not serious for reality reasons, but it feels good to think about the assholes getting precisely what they want.

Look, the traffic stops and regulations the police have to enforce are the stuff of the city's politicians. The cops didn't make up these ordinances. Heck, it's even the politicians who tell them when to heavily enforce them and in what areas.

But really, traffic stops yield two things, income for the city and you find more warranted felons you've been looking for that way.
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Well, still in the realm of fantasy, what would be ideal is two squad cars rather than one with attorneys and union reps and "concerned citizen" groups all riding along and supervising every stop to make certain that everybody is "correctly" represented. This does fly in the face of the reality of having to make split-second decisions, but hey, perhaps we can even engage those who are stopped in politely signing agreements and waivers and in consulting with the various reps on board every car on every call. :roll:
 
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nota bene said:
Well, still in the realm of fantasy, what would be ideal is two squad cars rather than one with attorneys and union reps and "concerned citizen" groups all riding along and supervising every stop to make certain that everybody is "correctly" represented. This does fly in the face of the reality of having to make split-second decisions, but hey, perhaps we can even engage those who are stopped in politely signing agreements and waivers and in consulting with the various reps on board every car on every call. :roll:
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Send the bill for all this to Al Sharpton. :mrgreen:
 
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VanceMack said:
Oh I would be quite serious and agree completely. Anyone that protests 'the cops' should be on their own. That includes the mayor and Al Sharpton with his bogus death threat claims.
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Would I be able to get my tax money back? I'd consider it. And I'm not a protestor.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Would I be able to get my tax money back? I'd consider it. And I'm not a protestor.
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Hell no. It's just like paying for public schools when your kids all go to private school.
 
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