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At this time, I don't think we have solid evidence to answer that question. That said, the evidence to support the "broken windows" model of policing is not particularly good, and there are good reasons to believe that it hampers police effectiveness.
We should also note that a broken windows policy is not the same as a beat-cop type approach, e.g. having police assigned to a specific neighborhood, who get to know the residents. "Broken windows" means aggressively cracking down on every possible minor offense. It would be like having the cops bang on your door at 7AM every Saturday morning, ordering you to mow your lawn to a regulation length.
I'm also not clear what you mean by "crime prevention." I can say that I strongly oppose the idea that the police have a justified presumption of guilt for every young male in a minority community. I also oppose policies that violate a citizen's right to be secure in their persons against unreasonable searches and seizures. Is that what you mean....?
Stop & frisk was a complete and utter failure.The stop and frisk policy would tend to keep people from carrying illegal firearms, wouldn't it?
The NYPD conducted millions of searches, almost all in minority communities, and almost never found any illegal firearms -- even when the program first got started, as in before anyone has any reason to expect they'd be searched at random. The program was so egregious that the NYPD is now being watched by a court-appointed monitor.
Most importantly, terminating the program has had no effect whatsoever on NYC crime rates. Quelle surprise.
There are no exact counts as you know, but there is mention of the speculation in one of your links I believe of the 10%. I've also read it somewhere else and am looking for the link.
If a cop pulls another cop over for speeding, he won't get a ticket in most cases.
If a cop pulls over a soldier for the same thing, he's most likely getting a ticket.
Kindred? I don't think so.
But I agree with evertying else. Cops got all these cool toys, and needed a reason to train with them. MRaps for all! yay!
And happy new year to you as well!
Matthew 10:34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
By crime prevention I meant what I wrote. The effect of a stop and frisk program being highly publicized it hopefully for the goal that nothing illegal is ever found.
The police likely still regularly frisk people who seem poise a danger. Instead, they likely just don't report it anymore. If they find the person has nothing they just let the person go on his/her way. Nothing happened so nothing to report attitude.
The complaint was that racial profiling was alleged, if I remember correctly.
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As for you number 2 point, silly. I didn't say traffic stops alone, but also stops for minor ordinance violations. My exact post was "Traffic stop and stop for minor violations". Interesting since you posted the quote that you would miss that.
And, on number 3 - where are your stats? And again, even IF true there is an easy explanation - those folks stopped and frisked weren't breaking the law at the time. Now go back and read the post you quoted ("Funny thing about most criminals, their criminal behavior isn't limited to felonies").
I support this measure only in so much that it means less petty police BS. The reasoning behind this pseudo-strike, however, is ridiculous.