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    Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    you are wrong, thier prospective conclusions are provided for them.


    but yes, you are correct, we get these absolutists who help no one.
    I agree with your first sentence and I stand corrected.

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    Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Not sure of the relevance here. I didn't make a distinction between local and federalis.
    Because they are entirely different animals. The local government is a direct expression of the local people, where the federal government is a representative body having to make Solomon like choices for a very large group of disparate localities. Locally, even the average citizen's voice is strong, federally, you can barely hear them.

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    Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I see no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Typically, I stand beside our men and women in blue. I still do.

    But I acknowledge the problem, none the less.

    Our police have become militarized because many of the returning veterans are joining the force. Therein lies half the problem, in my humble opinion.

    The streets of America are NOT the streets of Baghdad or Kabul. American citizens are NOT the enemy or the Taliban, if you will.

    This mentality does need some work. I do not agree that returning veterans make for the best police.

    We would be in really bad shape without cops.



    You are mistaken, the police are becoming militarized due to the DOD's equipment program, the warrior cop mentality is not due to the military veterans but departmental directives and high speed operator promises recruitment programs.


    Less than 10% on average of LEO's have military experience, out of that 10% many never had any combat or patrol type experience.
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    Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Because they are entirely different animals. The local government is a direct expression of the local people, where the federal government is a representative body having to make Solomon like choices for a very large group of disparate localities. Locally, even the average citizen's voice is strong, federally, you can barely hear them.


    Are you trying to tell me you are for a small federal government but a large authoritarian local government?
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    Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Are you trying to tell me you are for a small federal government but a large authoritarian local government?
    From the movie The Patriot

    "Why would I want to replace 1 tyrant 3000 miles away with 3000 tyrants 1 mile away?"

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    Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Are you old enough to remember when NYC's image to the rest of the country was that of a crime spree wasteland? Travelers avoided the place and those who couldn't were advised that they would probably be mugged at least once in their stay.
    Yes, that was in the 70s and 80s... when national crime rates were on the rise.


    How do you think they came back from that? By enforcing ALL their laws.
    Uh huh

    1) Crime rates didn't just go down in NYC, they went down nationally, and in cities with a variety of different approaches to policing.

    2) People have all sorts of theories about why crime has gone down. Abolishing lead paint and leaded gas, legalized abortion, stop & frisk, the rise in the use of psychiatric medications, population aging, the rejection of crack cocaine, the rise in cybercrime, longer prison sentences, hot-spot policing, broken-windows policing, improved crime stats and tracking, gentrification...

    At a bare minimum, tossing off an explanation like "crime rates went down because cops enforced ALL the laws" certainly leaves a lot to be desired.


    Again, know how they find a ton of violent felons with active warrants? Traffic stop and stop for minor violations. Funny thing about most criminals, their criminal behavior isn't limited to felonies.
    1) Please cite your research.
    2) Almost half of NYC households don't own cars. Traffic stops, not likely to be a big source of popping "violent felons."
    3) The NYPD spent years conducting stop & frisks on people in high-crime areas. Guess what? They didn't turn up a lot of violent felons with active warrants. They didn't make a lot of actual arrests. And of those arrests, only a tiny fraction were for the claimed purpose, namely "illegal gun possession."

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    Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Yes, that was in the 70s and 80s... when national crime rates were on the rise.



    Uh huh

    1) Crime rates didn't just go down in NYC, they went down nationally, and in cities with a variety of different approaches to policing.

    2) People have all sorts of theories about why crime has gone down. Abolishing lead paint and leaded gas, legalized abortion, stop & frisk, the rise in the use of psychiatric medications, population aging, the rejection of crack cocaine, the rise in cybercrime, longer prison sentences, hot-spot policing, broken-windows policing, improved crime stats and tracking, gentrification...

    At a bare minimum, tossing off an explanation like "crime rates went down because cops enforced ALL the laws" certainly leaves a lot to be desired.



    1) Please cite your research.
    2) Almost half of NYC households don't own cars. Traffic stops, not likely to be a big source of popping "violent felons."
    3) The NYPD spent years conducting stop & frisks on people in high-crime areas. Guess what? They didn't turn up a lot of violent felons with active warrants. They didn't make a lot of actual arrests. And of those arrests, only a tiny fraction were for the claimed purpose, namely "illegal gun possession."
    So you oppose crime prevention, only crime solving?

    The stop and frisk policy would tend to keep people from carrying illegal firearms, wouldn't it?

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    Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Are you trying to tell me you are for a small federal government but a large authoritarian local government?
    That would be a typical for you mischaracterization of what I posted. Whether you have a "large authoritarian local government" is entirely and directly up to you and your local community. If that's what you and your community want, then yes. Otherwise, no.

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    Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That would be a typical for you mischaracterization of what I posted. Whether you have a "large authoritarian local government" is entirely and directly up to you and your local community. If that's what you and your community want, then yes. Otherwise, no.



    I asked you a question because you are as usual all over the place with your red herrings, strawmen, and other garbage posts. You once again dodged my question.
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    Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You are mistaken, the police are becoming militarized due to the DOD's equipment program, the warrior cop mentality is not due to the military veterans but departmental directives and high speed operator promises recruitment programs.


    Less than 10% on average of LEO's have military experience, out of that 10% many never had any combat or patrol type experience.
    Yeah, that makes pretty good sense too.

    I found this to be a pretty good read regarding as to why today's police are going somewhat, "off da hook."
    6. Police are increasingly militarized.

    During President Obama’s gun control push, he argued that “weapons of war have no place on our streets;” but as Radley Balko has amply documented in his 2013 book, Rise of the Warrior Cop, local police are often equipped with weapons powerful enough to conquer a small country. Police use of highly armed SWAT teams has risen by 1,500 percent in the last two decades, and many police departments have cultivated an “us vs. them” mentality toward the public they ostensibly serve. Although possession of these weapons does not cause misconduct, as the old saying goes, when you have a hammer everything begins to look like a nail. <snip> Seven Reasons Police Brutality Is Systemic, Not Anecdotal | The American Conservative

    10%? Interesting. I was sure there would be more. I tried looking it up. All I got was.. "No one (not the VA nor the DOJ) keeps statistics on how many combat vets are employed as law enforcement officers. Most of my generation has retired, so the Vietnam vets are only a tiny percentage. I am sure that the total number of combat vets has only increased slightly in the last ten years. <snip>https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...0163536AAlq8qx

    And bull**** rhetoric of wannabe a soldier cops trying to place themselves on the same high ground as our soldiers. "Police officers and military veterans are kindred spirits. Both wear their uniforms with pride. Both don their uniforms to be part of a larger team of professionals protecting those who can't protect themselves at great personal risk. And both operate within a rigid command structure. <snip> blah, blah, blah............. Military Vets Joining Law Enforcement - Article - POLICE Magazine

    I thought for sure there would be more than 10%. Where did you find that information? I can't find anything on that.

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