View Poll Results: Why does unemployment for African-Americans remains so high?

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  • Employers discriminate against African-Americans

    112 47.86%
  • The welfare state subsidizing bad choices and laziness

    14 5.98%
  • Parental and family failure

    16 6.84%
  • Many African Americans are convinced its hopeless

    10 4.27%
  • Historic discrimination's adverse effect African-American psychology

    36 15.38%
  • Refusal to re-locate to job markets

    4 1.71%
  • Inferior schools for African-Americans

    43 18.38%
  • Culture and media have created excuses for African-Americans

    12 5.13%
  • Cultural bias against African-Americans

    47 20.09%
  • IDK/Other

    10 4.27%
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    What is the unemployment rate for African-Americans so high?

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    The unemployment rate of African Americans remains at least double that of whites and is the highest unemployment demographic. The overall economic gap remains as great.

    What is most notable is that there has been NO improvement for 5 decades. There is:
    The Civil Rights Act
    Voting Rights Act
    Forced Busing
    Preference for Minority loans and contracts
    Hate Crimes legislation
    Outlawing racial discrimination in employment, commerce and housing
    Affirmative action in education
    Every increasing social, benefits and welfare programs
    Neighborhood revival programs
    Preferential loans in housing

    Yet all that - and none has helped African-Americans in terms of unemployment, lower economic status and unemployment. 50 years of a trillion dollars and a zillion words - all that appears a failure, if not counter productive.

    These ten charts show the black-white economic gap hasn

    So... what is the reason(s) unemployment remains so high for African-Americans?
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    Re: What is the unemployment rate for African-Americans so high?

    They don't want to be successful in white culture by "being white." Compound that among other things, like drug use, and they are perfectly alright with not working. Plus, their schools tend to not be that great.
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    Re: What is the unemployment rate for African-Americans so high?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The unemployment rate of African Americans remains at least double that of whites and is the highest unemployment demographic. The overall economic gap remains as great.

    What is most notable is that there has been NO improvement for 5 decades. There is:
    The Civil Rights Act
    Voting Rights Act
    Forced Busing
    Preference for Minority loans and contracts
    Hate Crimes legislation
    Outlawing racial discrimination in employment, commerce and housing
    Affirmative action in education
    Every increasing social, benefits and welfare programs
    Neighborhood revival programs
    Preferential loans in housing

    Yet all that - and none has helped African-Americans in terms of unemployment, lower economic status and unemployment. 50 years of a trillion dollars and a zillion words - all that appears a failure, if not counter productive.

    These ten charts show the black-white economic gap hasn

    So... what is the reason(s) unemployment remains so high for African-Americans?
    Of your listed law changes, it seems that one is specifically related to employment. When given a choice of hiring a person, either with or without special "protected class" status to potentially sue you, which would you hire? We now see such nonsense as disparate impact, which makes the employer prove that they are innocent of discrimination instead of making one prove that they were, in fact, discriminated against. I am not saying that alone is responsible but it certainly must enter the mind of an employer, especially if they have been burned by such a lawsuit before.
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    Re: What is the unemployment rate for African-Americans so high?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Of your listed law changes, it seems that one is specifically related to employment. When given a choice of hiring a person, either with or without special "protected class" status to potentially sue you, which would you hire? We now see such nonsense as disparate impact, which makes the employer prove that they are innocent of discrimination instead of making one prove that they were, in fact, discriminated against. I am not saying that alone is responsible but it certainly must enter the mind of an employer, especially if they have been burned by such a lawsuit before.
    That is exactly what we saw with the Americans with Disabilities Act, as well. Hiring of Americans with Disabilities dropped sharply, because now they came with more risk.


    It's not an option in the poll, but I would add that African Americans are also more likely to be competing with cheaper, illegal labor who can underbid them.

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    Re: What is the unemployment rate for African-Americans so high?

    Sorry, I forgot to put "systemic privilege" on the list. How could I have forgotten that one?

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    Re: What is the unemployment rate for African-Americans so high?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Of your listed law changes, it seems that one is specifically related to employment. When given a choice of hiring a person, either with or without special "protected class" status to potentially sue you, which would you hire? We now see such nonsense as disparate impact, which makes the employer prove that they are innocent of discrimination instead of making one prove that they were, in fact, discriminated against. I am not saying that alone is responsible but it certainly must enter the mind of an employer, especially if they have been burned by such a lawsuit before.


    Sounds plausible because we have become a litigious society. Perhaps the Great Philosopher
    was absolutely correct when he said "kill all the lawyers," or not?

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    Re: What is the unemployment rate for African-Americans so high?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is exactly what we saw with the Americans with Disabilities Act, as well. Hiring of Americans with Disabilities dropped sharply, because now they came with more risk.


    It's not an option in the poll, but I would add that African Americans are also more likely to be competing with cheaper, illegal labor who can underbid them.
    WOW, how did I forget adding 12,000,000 unskilled illegal immigrants on the list sucking up bottom entry jobs? If I could edit that on I would make it #10 to get it on the list!

    I DEFINITELY believe that is one of the reasons. Illegal foreign workers are CHEAP and do NOT sue either. MILLIONS of no-skill and low-skill jobs have been lost in this manner. I wish I could find the link were unemployed African-Americans were suing some large corporate farms because they refused to hire African-Americans or anyone else BUT foreign laborers.

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    Re: What is the unemployment rate for African-Americans so high?

    Because they don't know how to do a job. ANy job.
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    Re: What is the unemployment rate for African-Americans so high?

    What a productive thread.
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    What is the unemployment rate for African-Americans so high?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is exactly what we saw with the Americans with Disabilities Act, as well. Hiring of Americans with Disabilities dropped sharply, because now they came with more risk.


    It's not an option in the poll, but I would add that African Americans are also more likely to be competing with cheaper, illegal labor who can underbid them.
    It's a bit more complicated than that. They didn't really drop "sharply." Some studies indicate that there is a parity in terms of employment in the past 20 years. However, it is also important to note that since the passage of the IDEA in the same year, post-school employment rates for similarily disabled persons is twice as high as those who did not have some of IDEA's transition to adulthood mandates.

    However, I would also like to remind people to not exactly blame the ADA. Rehabilitation specialists had been contemplating the same issues for many decades. The problems remain the same: discrimination, low expectations, and misunderstanding about diability.

    With or without protections, unemployment among the disabled population was high for many of the same reasons we teach young people to be thinking about when they are about to join the marketplace. Unemployment of persons with disabilities was estimated to be at least 50% (some as high as 75%) in the late 1970s and early 1980s. When I was growing up we institutionalized teaching kids when and when not to disclose your disability. In regard to the workplace, we tell kids to be careful about disclosing it because the consequences can harm your employment status. People with disabilities had long since been written off. Through the 1980s there was one aspiring professor who had been told that even though he wasn't "bitter" "like most other "cripples" no one would hire him as a professor because he was disabled. We still teach kids to be wary of letting people know about their "invisible" disabilities and hope or the best for their visible ones.

    I get that it is legally costly for employers to be seen as discriminating toward the disabled, but I think it would be foolish to ascribe this to the ADA. Employers will use the ADA as a new excuse, but the problem far preceds 1990. Even under the best of legal circumstances, it was going on ever since the 1920s saw the rise of Rehabilitation.
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