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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I picked other.Yes if the people actually wanting the statue up are actual practicing satanists. Meaning they regularly attend a satanic church,pray to Satan,celebrate satanic holidays, engage in satanic religious customs and etc. No if the people wanting the statue up are not real satanist. I suspect that the individuals wanting the satanic statue up are merely extremist whack job atheists trying to stick it to Christians to try to coerce Christians to take down what ever religious displays they have on tax payer funded property.
    You sure are into defining religions. There are many ways to practice a religion. And all religions are based on lies anyway. Trying to define who is "real" and who isn't is a trick proposition.

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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Until then, have some respect. Christmas is only once a year.
    Have some respect. Celebrate your beliefs on private property, don't make everyone else look at them on public property. It's only once a year, it's going to kill you to have it on your private property?

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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I would just choose some minimum standards such as:

    100+ adherents
    has existed for more than five years
    established worship site (even if its bob's shed in the back yard)
    is not based on a work of popular fiction


    Thats probably all thats needed.
    Is qualified for tax exempt status.










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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Some grove or whatever in the woods that is frequented but not officially documented would be sufficient in my mind. Plus Wicca has probably over 100k adherents.

    My main aim isn't really to judge validity or not so much as recognize there is limited space in the capital building so some minimum discrimination would be needed. As far as I am concerned, a religion held by one person is valid (or should be in the eyes of the law), but the state capital just isn't big enough for thousands of displays.
    At the moment, you are worrying about a problem that isn't there. When the displays start overflowing, then they can set up a lottery system for them. Or just ban them all.

    I do agree that the govt has to have a way to recognize a religion for tax purposes. But I think they're pretty wide open on that.

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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm actually fine with that, I think that churches should only get a tax exemption for their actual charitable work, not for money that goes to building upkeep or paying for staff or the like. They have to prove, like every other charity out there, that their money is going to charitable work, not preaching, not indoctrination, but charity. That means they have to have their books open like everyone else. Of course, the religious would never tolerate that, we might find out how much money they're actually stashing away.
    Hear! Hear! I second that emotion.

    And end the "Faith Based Initiatives" federal handouts.










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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Have some respect. Celebrate your beliefs on private property, don't make everyone else look at them on public property. It's only once a year, it's going to kill you to have it on your private property?
    I don't know Paddy, Christmas is a federal and not a private holiday. Don't get me wrong, all the fuzz about secular displays and the commercial aspect of what should be a matter of personal faith seems silly to me. I gladly settle for houses of worship and private properties displaying manger scenes. Christmas trees and Santas are secular and at everyone's discretion.
    What I don't understand is why matters of faith is such a hot issue. Christmas is observed T/O the world for a short period of time. If you are not a Christian, just enjoy the lights and the cookies and say "no thank you" to the rest.

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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I voted no.

    There should be no Satanic displays, no Christian displays, no Jewish displays, no Hindu displays, no religious displays of any kind.

    We're talking about the houses of government here, not an elementary school classroom.

    "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" - Obi Wan
    You must be a sith then. There is a big difference between allowing various religions to display on government property and government basing their decisions on religious tenants.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    No one is bowing down to or worshiping these displays.
    It doesn't matter. The Second Commandment clearly says that you can't even create graven images.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    I don't know Paddy, Christmas is a federal and not a private holiday. Don't get me wrong, all the fuzz about secular displays and the commercial aspect of what should be a matter of personal faith seems silly to me. I gladly settle for houses of worship and private properties displaying manger scenes. Christmas trees and Santas are secular and at everyone's discretion.
    What I don't understand is why matters of faith is such a hot issue. Christmas is observed T/O the world for a short period of time. If you are not a Christian, just enjoy the lights and the cookies and say "no thank you" to the rest.
    Just pointing out what, to me, is hypocrisy - non-christians are supposed to just enjoy the christian sights and lights, but not put up anything of their own? Why can't christians just enjoy what they like of what the other religions put up, and ignore the rest?

    I'm not saying YOU are a hypocrite; just that it seems our society is set up so the christians get to do what they want and the rest of us are supposed to tolerate it, but not v.v., which to me is against our constitution (when it's on public grounds).

    I know Jehovah's Witnesses - who are vehemently against celebrating holidays like Christmas and Thanksgiving - who will go around and look at holiday lights and say "they are just lights" - but they won't come over for dinner on Thanksgiving and tell themselves "It's just dinner". Always struck me as strange.

    Of course, I'm sure I do lots of contradictory things myself!

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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    You must be a sith then. There is a big difference between allowing various religions to display on government property and government basing their decisions on religious tenants.
    Just slight correction - that's "religious tenets" of course, not "religious tenants".

    I try not to correct typos normally but for some reason that one bugs me....


    But to your point - there is a difference; but what most of us (and maybe even you - sorry, I've lost track) have said that if govt is going to allow religions to display on govt property, they have to allow all religions.

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