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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    A person isn't entitled to their own religious beliefs in Florida? They have to be sanctioned by an established group with money? That seems pretty contrary to religious liberty.



    Or perhaps we could simply stop affording any special legal status to religious organizations and treat them just like secular ones. Then there needn't be any determination of legitimacy. Nothing in law should be dependent on someone's beliefs. No beliefs should entitle someone to not pay taxes. Some beliefs (those recognized as a religion) shouldn't get special treatment over others.



    Let's not give up and keep trying to get it back into port.
    You know, there's a house not too far from that's labelled as a church. We hear rumors it's for the tax breaks. But I hope they are doing a little good along the way. Who am I to question?

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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Except that they don't believe in Satan. They believe that Man made up all deities (which would include Satan). That is from their own website. If you don't believe in a deity or several deities then you are, by definition, an atheist.

    As I said, their own statements make it for themselves.
    "The idea that religion belongs to supernaturalists is ignorant, backward, and offensive. The metaphorical Satanic construct is no more arbitrary to us than are the deeply held beliefs that we actively advocate for. Are we supposed to believe that those who pledge submission to an ethereal supernatural deity hold to their values more deeply than we? Are we supposed to concede that only the superstitious are proper recipients of religious exemption and privilege? In fact, Satanism provides us all that a religion should, without a compulsory attachment to untenable items of faith-based belief: It provides a narrative structure by which we contextualize our lives and works. It provides a body of symbolism and religious practice — a sense of identity, culture, community, and shared values."

    --Sounds like religion to me.


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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    "The idea that religion belongs to supernaturalists is ignorant, backward, and offensive. The metaphorical Satanic construct is no more arbitrary to us than are the deeply held beliefs that we actively advocate for. Are we supposed to believe that those who pledge submission to an ethereal supernatural deity hold to their values more deeply than we? Are we supposed to concede that only the superstitious are proper recipients of religious exemption and privilege? In fact, Satanism provides us all that a religion should, without a compulsory attachment to untenable items of faith-based belief: It provides a narrative structure by which we contextualize our lives and works. It provides a body of symbolism and religious practice — a sense of identity, culture, community, and shared values."

    --Sounds like religion to me.
    Not even close to me. Sounds like spin to try and justify them provoking any religion that they want off public property. Or are you now saying that atheism is indeed a religion? There's been lots of threads here at DP about that subject and I've yet to see any atheist admit that atheism is a religion.

    Or are you just ignoring the definition of atheism in favor of promoting these liars and to push your own agenda?
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not even close to me. Sounds like spin to try and justify them provoking any religion that they want off public property. Or are you now saying that atheism is indeed a religion? There's been lots of threads here at DP about that subject and I've yet to see any atheist admit that atheism is a religion.

    Or are you just ignoring the definition of atheism in favor of promoting these liars and to push your own agenda?

    Since it was a free speech zone, religion or not is immaterial.

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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Since it was a free speech zone, religion or not is immaterial.
    I agree.

    However misrepresentation (ie lying) is the issue imo. And lying on government forms is a crime.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol | Fox News

    Branching off the discussion from this article, should the state of florida have even put up the display in the first place?

    Why or why not?
    I picked other.Yes if the people actually wanting the statue up are actual practicing satanists. Meaning they regularly attend a satanic church,pray to Satan,celebrate satanic holidays, engage in satanic religious customs and etc. No if the people wanting the statue up are not real satanist. I suspect that the individuals wanting the satanic statue up are merely extremist whack job atheists trying to stick it to Christians to try to coerce Christians to take down what ever religious displays they have on tax payer funded property.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    2Cor 4:4

    Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
    "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." --Exodus 20:4. The construction of these religious displays, even if Christian in nature, is a sin.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not even close to me. Sounds like spin to try and justify them provoking any religion that they want off public property. Or are you now saying that atheism is indeed a religion? There's been lots of threads here at DP about that subject and I've yet to see any atheist admit that atheism is a religion.

    Or are you just ignoring the definition of atheism in favor of promoting these liars and to push your own agenda?
    Promoting liars to push their own agenda? Sounds like a religion to me!

    I find your position rather hypocritical. You seem to think that the religious deserve special privileges with the government but atheists can go **** themselves. Why should the government treat people differently based on their religiosity?

    If a christian writes christianity down on a government form (why would they need to do that??) but he deep down doesn't really believe, do you want him sent off to the gulag, comrade? You're not the decider of whose religion is real or not, and the realness of it has absolutely no bearing on anything whatsoever. If I had the job you've given yourself I would find all religions to be fictitious.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I find your position rather hypocritical. You seem to think that the religious deserve special privileges with the government but atheists can go **** themselves. Why should the government treat people differently based on their religiosity?

    If a christian writes christianity down on a government form (why would they need to do that??) but he deep down doesn't really believe, do you want him sent off to the gulag, comrade? You're not the decider of whose religion is real or not, and the realness of it has absolutely no bearing on anything whatsoever. If I had the job you've given yourself I would find all religions to be fictitious.
    I don't think the religious deserve special treatment at all. And I dare you to show where I said or implied that. I'll bet that you'll find plenty of posts stating that I am against religion faster though. IE: you're barking up the wrong tree here.

    And as I said before, I'm not deciding, or judging anything here. Unless you want to now claim that atheism is a religion? Just how many atheists are going to support you on that absurdity? Be sure to change the definition of atheism while you're at it. Good luck to you on that.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Promoting liars to push their own agenda? Sounds like a religion to me!

    I find your position rather hypocritical. You seem to think that the religious deserve special privileges with the government but atheists can go **** themselves. Why should the government treat people differently based on their religiosity?

    If a christian writes christianity down on a government form (why would they need to do that??) but he deep down doesn't really believe, do you want him sent off to the gulag, comrade? You're not the decider of whose religion is real or not, and the realness of it has absolutely no bearing on anything whatsoever. If I had the job you've given yourself I would find all religions to be fictitious.
    BTW, you want to talk about hypocritical? Try this....Is Atheism a religion? poll I take note of where you voted...
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