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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I would just choose some minimum standards such as:

    100+ adherents
    has existed for more than five years
    established worship site (even if its bob's shed in the back yard)
    is not based on a work of popular fiction

    Thats probably all thats needed.
    A person isn't entitled to their own religious beliefs in Florida? They have to be sanctioned by an established group with money? That seems pretty contrary to religious liberty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Because the government is just the legal arm of society. Society determines what is an is not legitimate all the time. Because the vast majority of what constitutes "religion" when it comes to government has to do with taxation and the like, I can think of no better body for making that determination. That is, unless you just want to consider EVERYTHING a religion and do away with taxation entirely because just about everyone will declare themselves to be a religion unto themselves for tax-exempt status.
    Or perhaps we could simply stop affording any special legal status to religious organizations and treat them just like secular ones. Then there needn't be any determination of legitimacy. Nothing in law should be dependent on someone's beliefs. No beliefs should entitle someone to not pay taxes. Some beliefs (those recognized as a religion) shouldn't get special treatment over others.

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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol | Fox News

    Branching off the discussion from this article, should the state of florida have even put up the display in the first place?

    Why or why not?


    Absolutely!

    That gives good Christians a very nice place to exercise their second amendment rights and go and pray.

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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Absolutely!

    That gives good Christians a very nice place to exercise their second amendment rights and go and pray.

    We make a mistake trying to hide lies....we should expose them.
    Prayer is a second amendment right? I don't grok

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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Or perhaps we could simply stop affording any special legal status to religious organizations and treat them just like secular ones. Then there needn't be any determination of legitimacy. Nothing in law should be dependent on someone's beliefs. No beliefs should entitle someone to not pay taxes. Some beliefs (those recognized as a religion) shouldn't get special treatment over others.
    I'm actually fine with that, I think that churches should only get a tax exemption for their actual charitable work, not for money that goes to building upkeep or paying for staff or the like. They have to prove, like every other charity out there, that their money is going to charitable work, not preaching, not indoctrination, but charity. That means they have to have their books open like everyone else. Of course, the religious would never tolerate that, we might find out how much money they're actually stashing away.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    We don't have to be comfortable with it - but that's the way the founders set it up.
    I must have missed that part of the Constitution. Care to cite it? The part that I read said government should stay out of religious questions. Wouldn't the government saying a religion is invalid be like backdoor establishment?


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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Prayer is a second amendment right? I don't grok
    The way I see it here sometimes, it sure seems like the 2nd Amendment is a religion.


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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Absolutely!

    That gives good Christians a very nice place to exercise their second amendment rights and go and pray.

    We make a mistake trying to hide lies....we should expose them.
    So as far as religion goes, what's a lie and what's true? I know what I believe, but it can't be proven.


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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol | Fox News

    Branching off the discussion from this article, should the state of florida have even put up the display in the first place?

    Why or why not?
    In Florida, yes. In any other state, no. Why? Because it's Florida.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    In Florida, yes. In any other state, no. Why? Because it's Florida.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    IMO: If it had been from real Satanists, and not atheists pretending to be Satanists, then most definitely yes. But considering they are not religious I wouldn't have let them on the grounds that they said.
    The space in question is not a "religious display zone." It's a "free speech zone."

    There are no requirements for the displays to be religious, or genuine, or honest.

    If anyone is being dishonest, it's the legislators. They've tried to do an end-run around the constitutional prohibition on the establishment of religion, and it's biting them in the ass, just like they deserve.

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