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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol | Fox News

    Branching off the discussion from this article, should the state of florida have even put up the display in the first place?

    Why or why not?
    IMO: If it had been from real Satanists, and not atheists pretending to be Satanists, then most definitely yes. But considering they are not religious I wouldn't have let them on the grounds that they said. If they had just been honest then I would have let them. But being dishonest, no I wouldn't have. I also would have used the excuse of lying to federal/state officials for the reason for denying them.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If it's a legitimate religion yes they have the same rights and protections under the Constitution. I guess it comes down to the State Constitution and the protections of religion as well as what exactly IS a legitimately recognized religion.
    AS Visbek points out(and I could have saved myself some time if I had read his post before doing my searching around of the internets...), the area is set up as a free expression zone. Basically any one can put a display up there of anything according to state law, and it is not limited to religions. One example I found was a confederate flag exhibit that a group put up there to celebrate the confederacy. As such, religious rights are irrelevant, as free speech rights ensure that even if it is not a "real" religion they can still place their display there.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    But should not be on public land.
    I guess we don't play by the book here.

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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol | Fox News

    Branching off the discussion from this article, should the state of florida have even put up the display in the first place?

    Why or why not?
    Yes. The First Amendment applies there also.


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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If it's a legitimate religion yes they have the same rights and protections under the Constitution. I guess it comes down to the State Constitution and the protections of religion as well as what exactly IS a legitimately recognized religion.
    Why should we be comfortable with the government determining what is and isn't a legitimate religion?


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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Why should we be comfortable with the government determining what is and isn't a legitimate religion?
    Because the government is just the legal arm of society. Society determines what is an is not legitimate all the time. Because the vast majority of what constitutes "religion" when it comes to government has to do with taxation and the like, I can think of no better body for making that determination. That is, unless you just want to consider EVERYTHING a religion and do away with taxation entirely because just about everyone will declare themselves to be a religion unto themselves for tax-exempt status.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Why should we be comfortable with the government determining what is and isn't a legitimate religion?
    We don't have to be comfortable with it - but that's the way the founders set it up.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    When you're talking about religions how is any one of them more "real" than the others?
    The simplest and fairest way is to simply keep religion and government separate.


    I totally agree.




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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    When you're talking about religions how is any one of them more "real" than the others? The simplest and fairest way is to simply keep religion and government separate.
    I agree, but I think that ship has sailed so I am considering how to best manage the current situation

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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Considering there are approx 10,000 Religions, do we have the room. Or would a lottery be used?
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