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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    You must be a sith then. There is a big difference between allowing various religions to display on government property and government basing their decisions on religious tenants.
    I agree, and understand, that there's a big difference between the two.

    I just find it to be beyond silly that a Statehouse would be a place to "celebrate" anything.

    I come from a Catholic background and though I'm no longer a practicing Catholic (no longer really even a believer in Catholic dogma/theology, as far as that goes) I still celebrate the Christmas season.

    Even if I don't believe Jesus was/is God I still believe he was a great man with a God-inspired and amazing message and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

    On my lawn, next to the reindeer, and Christmas tree, and Santa, and Frosty, I've got a big inflatable Nativity.

    I've also got a 60-year-old nativity behind glass in the china cabinet in the dining room.

    I don't think there's anything at all wrong with celebrating holidays, any holidays you want, in any way you want, even if your way of celebrating is to be deliberately contradictory of traditional religions and holy days.

    But I think there's a time and a place for celebration and frivolity and I don't think the workplace is it.

    I don't decorate my office the way I decorate my home.

    I think that kind of "separation" is more important when you're a public body charged with representing all of the people, all of the time.

    There are roughly 4,200 religions in the world.

    Should all of them be given equal space in a public Statehouse for decorating and displaying in whatever manner the worshipers see fit?

    Either yes, all of them should, no matter how obscene and offensive any individual display may be, or no, none of them should.

    Since, again, we're talking about a place where business is conducted (public business in the case we're discussing, but business nevertheless) I think the rational, adult direction is to lean toward, do whatever the F you want at home, but this building has other purposes than to serve as a place for celebration of religious traditions and ritual.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Just slight correction - that's "religious tenets" of course, not "religious tenants".

    I try not to correct typos normally but for some reason that one bugs me....
    Sorry, I'm on my pad and I missed the auto correct changing that. I'm much better when I'm on my desktop.

    But to your point - there is a difference; but what most of us (and maybe even you - sorry, I've lost track) have said that if govt is going to allow religions to display on govt property, they have to allow all religions.
    There obviously would be a "critical mass" point where you couldn't fit any more displays, so then it needs to be figured out what is done to be fair to all who wants displays up. But the wanting part is what is key. There is no discrimination if other religions do not want to put up displays.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Actually I would say that all Christians do believe in the 7 days part. What is not in agreement is the scale of those seven days. Even looking at our physical universe, the length of a day varies with the different planets and satellites. IIRC, Mercury's day and year are the same length of time.since the establishment of the sun was not until the third "day" and the sun is the standard by which we use to determine our days, it is not unreasonable to assume that the 7 days were of the scale that the Creator uses.
    That's true. It has been suggested that each day was likely a 1000+ years.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    It doesn't matter. The Second Commandment clearly says that you can't even create graven images.
    You need to read EX 20:5 ( the following verse)

    "You shall not worship them or serve them"

    http://www.antiochian.org/content/no...eir-proper-use

    The command in question is from the Ten Commandments: “You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth be*neath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God” (Exodus 20:3-5).

    Note that the context shows that the term “graven image” is used to refer to an idol—an image created to be worshiped as a god. Could this mean there are in the Bible two classifications of image—true images and false images? Appropriate images and in*appropriate images? If so, how do we distin*guish between them?
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That's true. It has been suggested that each day was likely a 1000+ years.
    I'm certain those that did were attacked as "liberals" at the time.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    In my opinion their should be no religious displays on state property. But if Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc can put up their displays then Satanists as well.
    Therein was the very problem encountered. They tried to put in a law for their fundie buddies, and found that they then had to give the same rights to the Satanists.


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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Therein was the very problem encountered. They tried to put in a law for their fundie buddies, and found that they then had to give the same rights to the Satanists.
    And the second they found out that they couldn't have one without the other, instead of risking giving any religious group they don't like a platform, they're going to have to make it impossible for anyone to do it. That's always how it works. Christians want special rights and won't tolerate equal rights.
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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Actually I would say that all Christians do believe in the 7 days part. What is not in agreement is the scale of those seven days. Even looking at our physical universe, the length of a day varies with the different planets and satellites. IIRC, Mercury's day and year are the same length of time.since the establishment of the sun was not until the third "day" and the sun is the standard by which we use to determine our days, it is not unreasonable to assume that the 7 days were of the scale that the Creator uses.
    Not really. I'm a Christian and I don't believe in the "7 days" stuff. Do I believe that God created the world, yes. But the story from Genesis is the rabbis trying to teach people that basic truth, and to give some kind of understanding for how we got here. A "day" means nothing to an eternal being, but to a person it means quite a lot.


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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol | Fox News

    Branching off the discussion from this article, should the state of florida have even put up the display in the first place?

    Why or why not?
    No, and neither should any other display. Its an office, not a mall.

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    Re: Should the Satan religious display be allowed in the florida state capital?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I must have missed that part of the Constitution. Care to cite it? The part that I read said government should stay out of religious questions. Wouldn't the government saying a religion is invalid be like backdoor establishment?
    1st Amendment protects freedom of religion... implied is that government would know or define what is or is not a religion.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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