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Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

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Kobie said:
I haven't seen a single person supporting the VERY FEW protesters calling for dead cops.

There is also a time and place for protest, and I don't think a funeral or memorial service is it.
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How do you know. Those dead officers may feel the same way, and who better to know that than their brothers in blue.
 
radcen said:
I don't *know* this is the case, but I suspect the whole things got out of the family's control rather quickly. I'd bet many of the dignitaries invited themselves and/or each other and the family wasn't even consulted about it. Or, if they were, it was that they were more or less told what was going to happen, or "asked" in such a way that they had no choice but to accept.

Then again, it's also possible they were all for it.
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That was kind of my point...

If the family reached out to the Mayor and said "we'd like you to speak", that's one thing.

If the mayor showed up and went to the family and said "Hi, I'd like to speak", that's different.

The first, it's clear the family honestly desired and wanted the mayor to speak. In the second, it's hard to say, as you're putting a family...already in a out of sorts spot emotionally and physically...into a situation where they're having to either turn down the MAYOR of NYC or just go along with it. It's hard to say in such a case how much they honestly would've desired for him to speak, how much they were just going along with it because of the position he held, how much it was just a blur to them anyways and they didn't give any thought to it, etc.

Those kind of factors are things that I don't know and probably won't ever know, so it's hard to truly say how I feel about the cops actions in some universal sense. Ultimately though, I have a hard time blaming people for actions that are non-violent that they do in response to a death that reasonably affects them on a personal level soon after said death. I don't particularly feel that these cops acting in protest at a funeral are much different than what went on at the Michael Brown funeral...the big difference being that the protesters at the Michael Brown funeral didn't have to listen to someone talking about the deceased who some days before talked about how he had to warn his kids to be wary of large black men.
 
11Bravo said:
Law Enforcement, like the military, is a certain brotherhood. They know how each other their fellow LEO's operates. They did what he would have done with them. If you think they are bad people for that, it's your opinion, but it's a disappointing one.
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I began my term of service when Bush 41 was president and it continued into the beginning of the Clinton administration.

It was no secret that Clinton wasn't a friend of the military.

When Clinton turned tail and ran in the wake of Gothic Serpent the loathing for the man was absolutely palpable.

Imagine being an Infantryman sitting in the barracks on 9/11 watching those planes crash into the Towers and then your president's response to that was to disengage from the Middle East.

That probably gives you an idea how it felt in 1993 sitting in a day room in Germany cleaning weapons and watching MSG Gordon and SFC Shughart being dragged through the streets of Mogadishu by a crowd of booger eaters, and then having your president disengage from Africa. Probably not as big a shock, but probably the biggest thing an Infantryman of my era has as a basis for comparison.

We wanted to go kill every****ingbody, but the president ran.

So when President Clinton showed up in Baumholder in 1995 to send 2BD, 1AD to Bosnia as the maneuver element of Task Force Eagle (SOFOR I) the troops gathered could have been excused for turning their back on the president.

Right?

Because President Clinton was many things but when it came to being CINC of the Armed Forces the man was a complete and total dildo.

As you would probably expect, the troops gathered there that day showed him nothing but respect. Cheered him in fact. I was no longer there but I'm still buddies with a number of guys who were and I've seen the pictures.

The troops conducted themselves with discipline and decorum because that's what was expected of them.

Never in a million years would they have even considered turning their backs on their boss in a show of disrespect.

Don't compare civilian police officers to the military.

They're absolutely NOTHING alike.

A Soldier's job is to accomplish the mission, no matter the cost to himself.

A cop's job is to come home safe to his family at the end of his shift, and if he can enforce the law in the mean time all the better.

I'm not saying that a cop's job isn't dangerous. I know it is. Not as dangerous as a fisheman's job, or a lumberjack's job, not even close, but it's more dangerous than being a pastry chef.

Cops don't have the discipline of Soldiers (any armed servicemember) and they sure as hell don't have the same dedication to the mission.

Are they the same kind of brotherhood as an Infantry rifle platoon?

Probably the closest thing a civilian can get, but even then a very distant second.

I served one four year enlistment and to this day I get together with my brothers on a yearly basis and we visit with each other intermittently throughout the year. There isn't a week that goes by that I don't talk to one or two of them on the phone, and we're all in daily contact on Facebook.

You think a cop who did one four year stretch on a department and then moved on to other things is still in touch with his old cop buddies that way?

I'd call you crazy if you even suggested it.
 
soot said:
I began my term of service when Bush 41 was president and it continued into the beginning of the Clinton administration.

It was no secret that Clinton wasn't a friend of the military.

When Clinton turned tail and ran in the wake of Gothic Serpent the loathing for the man was absolutely palpable.

Imagine being an Infantryman sitting in the barracks on 9/11 watching those planes crash into the Towers and then your president's response to that was to disengage from the Middle East.

That probably gives you an idea how it felt in 1993 sitting in a day room in Germany cleaning weapons and watching MSG Gordon and SFC Shughart being dragged through the streets of Mogadishu by a crowd of booger eaters, and then having your president disengage from Africa. Probably not as big a shock, but probably the biggest thing an Infantryman of my era has as a basis for comparison.

We wanted to go kill every****ingbody, but the president ran.

So when President Clinton showed up in Baumholder in 1995 to send 2BD, 1AD to Bosnia as the maneuver element of Task Force Eagle (SOFOR I) the troops gathered could have been excused for turning their back on the president.

Right?

Because President Clinton was many things but when it came to being CINC of the Armed Forces the man was a complete and total dildo.

As you would probably expect, the troops gathered there that day showed him nothing but respect. Cheered him in fact. I was no longer there but I'm still buddies with a number of guys who were and I've seen the pictures.

The troops conducted themselves with discipline and decorum because that's what was expected of them.

Never in a million years would they have even considered turning their backs on their boss in a show of disrespect.

Don't compare civilian police officers to the military.

They're absolutely NOTHING alike.

A Soldier's job is to accomplish the mission, no matter the cost to himself.

A cop's job is to come home safe to his family at the end of his shift, and if he can enforce the law in the mean time all the better.

I'm not saying that a cop's job isn't dangerous. I know it is. Not as dangerous as a fisheman's job, or a lumberjack's job, not even close, but it's more dangerous than being a pastry chef.

Cops don't have the discipline of Soldiers (any armed servicemember) and they sure as hell don't have the same dedication to the mission.

Are they the same kind of brotherhood as an Infantry rifle platoon?

Probably the closest thing a civilian can get, but even then a very distant second.

I served one four year enlistment and to this day I get together with my brothers on a yearly basis and we visit with each other intermittently throughout the year. There isn't a week that goes by that I don't talk to one or two of them on the phone, and we're all in daily contact on Facebook.

You think a cop who did one four year stretch on a department and then moved on to other things is still in touch with his old cop buddies that way?

I'd call you crazy if you even suggested it.
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First off guy, you're being severely over dramatic. Like WAY over the top. Second, I can compare them because I have experience in both.

Dying in combat is no different than an officer serving his community and getting killed. You can call that crazy, as you state, but that's just because you are way too opinionated. No need to get all heated up warrior, I too served and know the difference of military vs. LEO, but I'm not going to punch a hole in the wall if someone says otherwise.

:peace ?
 
11Bravo said:
First off guy, you're being severely over dramatic. Like WAY over the top. Second, I can compare them because I have experience in both.

Dying in combat is no different than an officer serving his community and getting killed. You can call that crazy, as you state, but that's just because you are way too opinionated. No need to get all heated up warrior, I too served and know the difference of military vs. LEO, but I'm not going to punch a hole in the wall if someone says otherwise.

:peace ?
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You're reading way too much attitude into what I'm saying.

I'm not worked up or mad at you and I know your background (at least as it applies to the military).

I think you're wrong, I've told you why I think you're wrong, you clearly disagree with me, end of discussion.

I'm not going to get all butthurt over the fact that some guy on the Internetz disagrees with me.
 
soot said:
You're reading way too much attitude into what I'm saying.

I'm not worked up or mad at you and I know your background (at least as it applies to the military).

I think you're wrong, I've told you why I think you're wrong, you clearly disagree with me, end of discussion.

I'm not going to get all butthurt over the fact that some guy on the Internetz disagrees with me.
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Understood. My apologies. I read that as if I was being yelled at by and E8
 
soot said:
I disagree.

Officer Ramos' family invited the Mayor to the formalities.

The police had no business turning a solemn event into a political stunt.

Douchebags, every one who turned.
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I haven't heard that the mayor was invited. Has that been confirmed?
 
reinoe said:
I haven't heard that the mayor was invited. Has that been confirmed?
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It's been reported in most of the news stories I've read.

At a minimum the family hasn't come out against it publicly and said, "No, no, no, that's not what happened at all", which is not to suggest that they would, but it is what it is.

As far as whether or not someone from a clearly right leaning news source has actually gone to the family and received confirmation that ideologues would accept, I really don't know.
 
Does anyone remember what Reagan did to the Air Traffic Controllers?
 
Shouldn't they be turning their backs on the group that assaulted the Ellen Dancer? How about the one that assaulted the public transit employee?
 
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