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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Generally bad policy to to do something that a significant partner of course considers as betraying them. Right, wrong, or indifferent, should that significant partner perceive it as such, it isn't something that you should do.
    So in this, I think it's the mayor that fired the first shot, not the NYPD.


    The only shot that counts is the one that gets the job done.

    The rest are just a waste of ammo.

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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Hmmm interesting justification. Well when is the "greater good"?
    The good for the city and it's citizens, of course, at least in this case.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well I didnt know what it was. But what does police having going on stirke have to going to De'Blaiso's speech a month ago?
    The first could very well lead to the other. If it turns into a game of chicken, it's down to who's going to blink first. If it does get to that, and I hope it doesn't, everyone's going to end up losing.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You said he somehow was a figure that lead to this attack and that the few hundred police were justified in turning their backs. Then you brought up his speech in early December in justification of these actions, yet in his speech he PRAISED the police...

    He praised the police. How is that "objectionable"?
    Clearly the police don't think so. I'd suggest that you ask them.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well he hasnt done anything..
    Of course he has. He has utterly failed as a leader, and the cops appear to smell that, and reject that, and him, because of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Why do they have to be mutually exclusive?
    Yeah, it's had just superb results so far. The situation in NYC we have now is largely attributable de Blasio's left wing push. But NYC residents should have realized this when they voted for him. Oh well, guess they realize it now.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Why is their strife in the first place? The mayor did nothing wrong.....
    Of course he has. He has utterly failed as a leader, and the cops appear to smell that, and reject that, and him, because of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So he shouldnt of spoke???
    Again, you take only the very first 1/3 of that more complete thought. Try taking the entire thought in context.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    RESPECT MY AUTHORITAAHHH MR MAYOR!!!
    You think that if you keep going around this circle track of yours that you are actually going to get somewhere? Frankly, I tire of covering the same ground over and over.
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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    The good for the city and it's citizens, of course, at least in this case.
    Only when you deem them right?

    The first could very well lead to the other. If it turns into a game of chicken, it's down to who's going to blink first. If it does get to that, and I hope it doesn't, everyone's going to end up losing.
    So we are playing the coulda game now?


    Clearly the police don't think so. I'd suggest that you ask them.
    *Cough* A few hundred out of 25,000....

    Of course he has. He has utterly failed as a leader, and the cops appear to smell that, and reject that, and him, because of it.
    Wait I thought it doesnt matter what you think, now its somehow "he failed as a leader".....

    Yeah, it's had just superb results so far. The situation in NYC we have now is largely attributable de Blasio's left wing push. But NYC residents should have realized this when they voted for him. Oh well, guess they realize it now.
    You didnt answer my question.. Just tip toed around it..


    Of course he has. He has utterly failed as a leader,
    Again, I thought it doesnt matter what you think. Now all the sudden you do have an opinion...

    and the cops appear to smell that, and reject that, and him, because of it.
    *Cough* A few hundred out of 25,000...


    Again, you take only the very first 1/3 of that more complete thought. Try taking the entire thought in context.



    You think that if you keep going around this circle track of yours that you are actually going to get somewhere? Frankly, I tire of covering the same ground over and over.
    Well thats essentially what your saying, and I quote in post #40: "It doesn't matter what I think are the facts or are not, nor does it matter what you think the facts are or are not. What matters is what the police think the facts are or are not,"


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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Actually, it wasn't JUST the NYPD that turned their backs to de Blasio. All the LEO's visiting from near and far, and in some cases internationally, all did.

    A higher class mayor wouldn't have received such treatment, but then, a higher class mayor wouldn't have thrown his own police force under the bus like the classless de Blasio did. de Blasio could have elected to say very little or nothing, and would have been better off.

    You support the protesters for their chanting and calling for dead cops, yes? Yet you are against the LEOs doing the same? Expressing themselves. Interesting that inconsistency.
    So, what you're saying it was a sea of blue pigs bolstering their position of the code of silence among themselves. Which is why citizens need to be extremely careful when dealing with cops, as they are not to be trusted with human life.

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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    From the video footage that I saw, it wasn't a very few, I'd place it between 50 and 100 or so.

    While I would agree wit you that a funeral isn't the right time and place for protest (unlike the Westboro idiots), I understand the LEOs position on this, and support that position.

    What's the saddest to me is that a solemn time of a funeral, being there to honor a fallen fellow officer, there in support of that officer's family, the LEOs were put in a position where they felt that had to protest de Blasio.

    We are seeming to forget that it was de Blasio's actions and words alone which has causing this tear in the relationship between the mayor and his police force.
    You support cops ganging up on an unarmed citizen for selling single cigarettes out of a pack he owned, and then dying at their hands? Let me ask you, when do you believe that the police actually commit brutality? surely it can't be when a person dies at their hands for a minor offense. There will come a day when citizens will say enough is enough, we're living in a police state.

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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    Well thats essentially what your saying, and I quote in post #40: "It doesn't matter what I think are the facts or are not, nor does it matter what you think the facts are or are not. What matters is what the police think the facts are or are not,"
    It's true. This is going to have to be resolved by the NYPD and the mayor. The NYPD feels that it's the injured party here, at the hands of the mayor. Those two parties are going to have work it out.

    It's never a good policy to piss off a major partner in running and managing a city the size of NYC. In that, de Blasio have failed as a leader of the City. I'm not seeing the controversy here. I think it's rather obvious that this is the case.

    You have a counter case, one that shows how fabulous a leader he really is, bring it.
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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    It really doesn't matter much what you or I think or what you or I feel about this. It matters a great deal what the cops think and what the cops feel about this. They think and feel that they've been thrown under the bus.

    The cops, in unison, across the nation, and indeed across to other nations as well, react to de Basio's words that they were thrown under the bus by the mayor. This is going to poison this vitally important relationship, between of the office of the mayor and the police force, and, as makes no difference, renders this particular mayor as ineffective and incapable of properly discharging the duties of his elected office. Perhaps he should resign.

    Frankly, I think he shouldn't have been showing off his progressive / liberal cred in this instance, he should have been a leader and backed up his police force, or perhaps not said anything at all. Why did he wade in, into a no win situation for him, and say what he did? Where's his gain for saying what he did? He has none that I can see. How foolish is that?
    Ever been a member of the military? If so, when your commander gave you orders, or the room you were in was called to attention, did you turn your back on the commander? Ever been to a large funeral? Ever turn your back on the eulogy speech? Are you married, have a girlfriend/boyfriend? do you turn your back on them when they're speaking to you?

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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    You support cops ganging up on an unarmed citizen for selling single cigarettes out of a pack he owned, and then dying at their hands? Let me ask you, when do you believe that the police actually commit brutality? surely it can't be when a person dies at their hands for a minor offense. There will come a day when citizens will say enough is enough, we're living in a police state.
    No one living in the US has even an inkling what it is to live in a police state. That's a nice straw man there. Because we aren't.

    Martin died because he was in ill health and resisted arrest. Had he not resisted arrest, likely he'd still be alive today.

    What exactly were the orders for the cops that arrested Martin? Who issued them? And why? If they weren't explicit orders specific to sellers of lucies, why is it that all 4 or 5 of them were all on board with the arrest?

    Yes, cops can, and do, commit brutality. I don't think that the arrest of Martin is one of them.
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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    So, what you're saying it was a sea of blue pigs bolstering their position of the code of silence among themselves. Which is why citizens need to be extremely careful when dealing with cops, as they are not to be trusted with human life.
    Your use of the term 'pigs' in reference to police officers is already telling that you probably aren't willing to give them the rights they are ensuring that you have.

    You going to put wings on a few more?
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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    You support cops ganging up on an unarmed citizen for selling single cigarettes out of a pack he owned, and then dying at their hands?
    No. If you read what I posted, you'll see that I support the police for turning their backs on de Blasio, for

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Let me ask you, when do you believe that the police actually commit brutality? surely it can't be when a person dies at their hands for a minor offense. There will come a day when citizens will say enough is enough, we're living in a police state.
    I see you are advocating further violence and civil insurrection. Well, good luck with that.
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