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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I don't disagree that the Mayor "fired the first shot". I'm just saying the police would have done better to act like adults at the funeral, so the focus could stay on the slain officer, and reserve their grievances against the Mayor for another time. There will be plenty of time in negotiations and such to address this.

    Maybe it's just me, but a funeral is for the deceased and their loved ones. Nobody else.
    And I agree with you on this point, as I agreed with Kobie earlier in this thread. The funeral is in honor of the deceased, and in support of their families.

    All I'm saying is that I understand the officer's position on this, and have come to realize that it's their perception of the situation that counts far more so than mine, yours, or anyone else's not directly involved. Maybe you'll have better luck with TheDemSocialist on this. He seems to not understand what I'm saying.
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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Yeah. OK, fine.
    Yup

    Poll or discussion thread? They both kinda look pretty much the same, don't they?
    So I'm guessing you respect authority no matter what? You hold their opinion above yours not matter what? Its only fair to be consistent right?

    Yes, I consider NYC a zoo. A zoo from top to bottom, from North to South, from East to West, the entire thing, and the main exhibit are humans in far too close and densely packed living situation. Any number of phycosis can come from the stresses living like that.
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    Must be. So you think bringing up reality somehow will lead to or should lead to a police strike? Somehow this speech is in what relation to a police strike? So should the mayor literally get on his knnes?

    As I've stated all along. It doesn't matter what I think are the facts or are not, nor does it matter what you think the facts are or are not. What matters is what the police think the facts are or are not, and they think that the mayor has thrown them under the bus.
    Ok... So the few hundred of police who turned their backs are the all knowing and should be trusted no matter what, their opinion is held so high, even above the reality of events?


    That in itself defines the situation, it's criticality, and the need for both the NYPD leaders and de Blasio to put a stop to this fairly pointless escalation between themselves before yet a more damaging thing explodes on the scene above and beyond a nutter whacking 2 on duty cops in their cruiser. Things can yet get far worse, like back to open warfare on cops and ambush killing of cops we've seen in this city before.
    Their should be no escalation because the mayor did literally nothing wrong..

    Lakewood, Washington police officer shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Get protesters to chat wanting dead cops, the police get worried.
    This is a shame. Whats this have to do with this?

    Your words, not mine. That's not at all what I said. What I said was: "Sometimes the greatest wisdom is know when not to speak, and if speaking knowing what to say and how to say it. Seems in this case this mayor failed in a rather spectacular fashion." I see no "well he should of just shut up and keep his zipper shut" here.
    "the greatest wisdom is know when not to speak".. AKA he shouldnt talk..


    If de Blasio absolutely wanted, utterly felt compelled, to talk about what he did, I think he'd have been better advised to express it in terms that wouldn't antagonize the police force, to keep them on his side, or to win them back to his side, wouldn't antagonize any protestors, and would have brought an air calmness and civility to the situation.
    SPEAKING TO REALITY OF WHAT HAPPENS IS NOT "ATAGONIZING" THAT IS THE REALITY.


    That would have been far more wise, in my estimation. Like I said, one would have thought that if he was as an accomplished politician as he thinks he is, he would have been able to pull it off, but I guess not.
    Speaking the reality of events again is not atagonizing. ITS CALLED REALITY.
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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Why not hold the mayor to a higher standard?
    I'm not against that, but I think it's inappropriate to do it at a funeral, I think those policemen who turned their back were thinking of themselves and not the fallen policeman.


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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yup


    So I'm guessing you respect authority no matter what? You hold their opinion above yours not matter what? Its only fair to be consistent right?
    In certain situations, for the greater good, yes.

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    Must be. So you think bringing up reality somehow will lead to or should lead to a police strike? Somehow this speech is in what relation to a police strike?
    You weren't familiar with the term 'blue flu', I was being helpful.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So should the mayor literally get on his knnes?
    You keep bringing this up. I never have. You have a fixation or something?

    No, what the mayor should have done was say what he wanted in such a way that the police wouldn't have found it objectionable, heck, isn't the mark of a really good politician to get you to support something that you don't like?

    What the mayor needs to do now is make peace and mend fences with the NYPD leaders in private through whatever means needed. The dangers to the city and the population demand that at this point due to his earlier statements.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ok... So the few hundred of police who turned their backs are the all knowing and should be trusted no matter what, their opinion is held so high, even above the reality of events?
    What would you rather have? A supporting police force keeping the city and it's populace safe, working to improve relations with communities, or what is considered the truth for some small minority and the level of distrust and acrimony that you have now? What's more effective? What's better for city and it's residence?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Their should be no escalation because the mayor did literally nothing wrong..

    This is a shame. Whats this have to do with this?
    What's gonna happen when the MS13 gang in one of the burrows decides to take advantage of the situation, the strife in the NYPD ranks, the strife between NYPD and the major office and goes out and shoots a bunch of cops? That's more the calamity I was thinking about.

    "the greatest wisdom is know when not to speak".. AKA he shouldnt talk.. [/quote]

    That's only part of what I said. In full context it's ""Sometimes the greatest wisdom is know when not to speak, and if speaking knowing what to say and how to say it." It's going to be hard to have an honest conversation here when you selectively leave off so much of the context.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    SPEAKING TO REALITY OF WHAT HAPPENS IS NOT "ATAGONIZING" THAT IS THE REALITY.

    Speaking the reality of events again is not atagonizing. ITS CALLED REALITY.
    I harken back to "if speaking knowing what to say and how to say it."
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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I'm not against that, but I think it's inappropriate to do it at a funeral, I think those policemen who turned their back were thinking of themselves and not the fallen policeman.
    I agree with you on this point, as I agreed with Kobie earlier in this thread. The funeral is in honor of the deceased, and in support of their families.

    All I'm saying is that I understand the officer's position on this, and have come to realize that it's their perception of the situation that counts far more so than mine, yours, or anyone else's not directly involved.
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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    In certain situations, for the greater good, yes.
    Hmmm interesting justification. Well when is the "greater good"?


    You weren't familiar with the term 'blue flu', I was being helpful.
    Well I didnt know what it was. But what does police having going on stirke have to going to De'Blaiso's speech a month ago?



    You keep bringing this up. I never have. You have a fixation or something?
    You said he somehow was a figure that lead to this attack and that the few hundred police were justified in turning their backs. Then you brought up his speech in early December in justification of these actions, yet in his speech he PRAISED the police...

    No, what the mayor should have done was say what he wanted in such a way that the police wouldn't have found it objectionable, heck, isn't the mark of a really good politician to get you to support something that you don't like?
    He praised the police. How is that "objectionable"?

    What the mayor needs to do now is make peace and mend fences with the NYPD leaders in private through whatever means needed. The dangers to the city and the population demand that at this point due to his earlier statements.
    Well he hasnt done anything..

    What would you rather have? A supporting police force keeping the city and it's populace safe, working to improve relations with communities, or what is considered the truth for some small minority and the level of distrust and acrimony that you have now? What's more effective? What's better for city and it's residence?
    Why do they have to be mutually exclusive?


    What's gonna happen when the MS13 gang in one of the burrows decides to take advantage of the situation, the strife in the NYPD ranks, the strife between NYPD and the major office and goes out and shoots a bunch of cops? That's more the calamity I was thinking about.
    Why is their strife in the first place? The mayor did nothing wrong.....


    That's only part of what I said. In full context it's ""Sometimes the greatest wisdom is know when not to speak, and if speaking knowing what to say and how to say it." It's going to be hard to have an honest conversation here when you selectively leave off so much of the context.
    So he shouldnt of spoke???


    I harken back to "if speaking knowing what to say and how to say it."
    RESPECT MY AUTHORITAAHHH MR MAYOR!!!


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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I'll say right off, I think it was a low class thing to do.




    Turning your back on and disrespecting the man who signs your paycheck is never a wise thing to do.

    That gesture will accomplish little, if anything, for the NYPD.

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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    . . . .
    Their should be no escalation because the mayor did literally nothing wrong..
    From another thread. Hmm. Wonder if it's a copy cat killing. Anyway, particular to my posting here, another calamity.

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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    From another thread. Hmm. Wonder if it's a copy cat killing. Anyway, particular to my posting here, another calamity.
    You still have not explained what the mayor did wrong other than, "RESPECT THE NYPDS AUTHORITAHHHH!"


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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    From the video footage that I saw, it wasn't a very few, I'd place it between 50 and 100 or so.


    While I would agree wit you that a funeral isn't the right time and place for protest (unlike the Westboro idiots), I understand the LEOs position on this, and support that position.

    What's the saddest to me is that a solemn time of a funeral, being there to honor a fallen fellow officer, there in support of that officer's family, the LEOs were put in a position where they felt that had to protest de Blasio.

    We are seeming to forget that it was de Blasio's actions and words alone which has causing this tear in the relationship between the mayor and his police force.


    In a city like New York City, with a population well over 8 million, that's a few. It's certainly not a large number.

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