Thread: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

Originally Posted by eohrnberger

It really doesn't matter much what you or I think or what you or I feel about this. It matters a great deal what the cops think and what the cops feel about this. They think and feel that they've been thrown under the bus.

Saying that only a handful of the police turned their backs... What does that mean?

The cops, in unison, across the nation, and indeed across to other nations as well, react to de Basio's words that they were thrown under the bus by the mayor.

They did?
And so this has came to "meh my opinion doesnt matter, we must respect my authoritahhhh!"?
Why should the police be upset by this? All he did was 1.)speak to the factual situations in this country 2.)HE PRAISED THE NYPD..... '

This is going to poison this vitally important relationship, between of the office of the mayor and the police force, and, as makes no difference, renders this particular mayor as ineffective and incapable of properly discharging the duties of his elected office. Perhaps he should resign.

What is? Speaking to the reality? Seriously? What did he do!?

Frankly, I think he shouldn't have been showing off his progressive / liberal cred in this instance, he should have been a leader and backed up his police force, or perhaps not said anything at all.

Sorry. Sometimes facts our facts... If you or the hundred of police officers who decided to turn their backs is not recognizing basic facts that he spoke to a couple months ago is "disrespect" then again we have a bigger problem on our hands....

Why did he wade in, into a no win situation for him, and say what he did?

Because its REALITY....

Where's his gain for saying what he did? He has none that I can see. How foolish is that?

Gain? I dont think he was thinking of "gain". IT WAS REALITY OF WHAT HAPPENS.

Those officers showed as much maturity as a two-year-old throwing a temper tantrum. If they feel that disrespected, they are more than willing to do everyone a favor and resign.

And I don't wanna hear any of this "put yourself in the officers' shoes" bullcrap. When you wear a police badge, especially for a highly-esteemed force such as the NYPD, you WILL be held to a higher standard of conduct. Any officer that cannot handle that level of scrutiny needs to GTFO already.

Originally Posted by eohrnberger

Why not hold the mayor to a higher standard?

Did the Mayor do something classless at the funeral?

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

Saying that only a handful of the police turned their backs... What does that mean?

Eh? Referring to what? The fact of the matter is that all the policemen at the funeral turned their back to de Blasio, and all the policemen at the hospital did the same. Where's this 'only a handful' that you are talking about? From my observation it was 100% or dam near it.

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

They did?
And so this has came to "meh my opinion doesnt matter, we must respect my authoritahhhh!"?

Well, yes. In the relationship between the mayor and his police force, either of our opinions don't matter. The opinion of the police force matter a great deal as they are so many, and are so critical to keeping the city from tearing itself apart, keeping the lid on the zoo, as it were. Just imagine what shape the city would be in if the blue flu took over for a week, what shape it'd be in then. You don't want to antagonize the NYPD, clearly the mayor did. The rest of society counts on the police for so much, I guess the police believe they've forgotten and have taken it for granted or something.

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

Why should the police be upset by this? All he did was 1.)speak to the factual situations in this country 2.)HE PRAISED THE NYPD..... '

Well apparently not in their eyes.

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

What is? Speaking to the reality? Seriously? What did he do!?


Sorry. Sometimes facts our facts... If you or the hundred of police officers who decided to turn their backs is not recognizing basic facts that he spoke to a couple months ago is "disrespect" then again we have a bigger problem on our hands....


Because its REALITY....


Gain? I dont think he was thinking of "gain". IT WAS REALITY OF WHAT HAPPENS.

Sometimes the greatest wisdom is known when not to speak, and if speaking knowing what to say and how to say it. Seems in this case this mayor failed in a rather spectacular fashion.

Originally Posted by radcen

Did the Mayor do something classless at the funeral?

No idea if he did or didn't. He may have, or he may not have.

If he doubled down and basically repeated what he said before, he would have only thrown more gas on an already raging inferno likely to prematurely end his term in office.

The fact that we are talking about this*, and not the other more important issues, is proof positive that the "gesture" was selfish and about them. Eff everybody and everything else.

*-The media and talk shows are also talking about the 'back turning' still, as well.

Originally Posted by radcen

The fact that we are talking about this*, and not the other more important issues, is proof positive that the "gesture" was selfish and about them. Eff everybody and everything else.

*-The media and talk shows are also talking about the 'back turning' still, as well.

Generally bad policy to to do something that a significant partner of course considers as betraying them. Right, wrong, or indifferent, should that significant partner perceive it as such, it isn't something that you should do. So in this, I think it's the mayor that fired the first shot, not the NYPD.

Originally Posted by eohrnberger

Eh? Referring to what? The fact of the matter is that all the policemen at the funeral turned their back to de Blasio, and all the policemen at the hospital did the same. Where's this 'only a handful' that you are talking about? From my observation it was 100% or dam near it.

Not ture. 25,000 police attended, and reports say "several hundred turned their backs"... Not even close to "all"..

Well, yes. In the relationship between the mayor and his police force, either of our opinions don't matter.

Wait so then why are you here on this poll? If our "opinons dont matter" then why are you here in this thread?

The opinion of the police force matter a great deal as they are so many, and are so critical to keeping the city from tearing itself apart, keeping the lid on the zoo, as it were.

Oh wow.... Oh wow...

Just imagine what shape the city would be in if the blue flu took over for a week, what shape it'd be in then.

Whats a "blue flu"? Is this some imaginary disease?

You don't want to antagonize the NYPD, clearly the mayor did.

Can you answer this? : Is speaking to the FACTUAL realities of the situation "antagonizing"?

The rest of society counts on the police for so much,

Ok... So speaking of the FACTUAL REALTIES is what? Doing what?

I guess the police believe they've forgotten and have taken it for granted or something.

So again, speaking of the factual realities of our country is somehow "throwing the police under the bus"?

Well apparently not in their eyes.

Soooo... Let me get this... Praising the NPYD (the police department in which he is the may of) is "throwing them under the bus"? WTF? What reality do you live in? What you want him to do? Get on his knees?

Sometimes the greatest wisdom is known when not to speak, and if speaking knowing what to say and how to say it. Seems in this case this mayor failed in a rather spectacular fashion.

So now its "well he should of just shut up and keep his zipper shut"? Well, wow.... "That big mayor, opening his mouth and talking about issues, what a dumbo! Its like all he needs to do is be a puppet head and do the typical smoke and mirrors show! Why should he ever have an opinion and speak about current issues!? What a disrespectful asshole! Respect our AUTHORTIAHH!!"

Originally Posted by eohrnberger

Generally bad policy to to do something that a significant partner of course considers as betraying them. Right, wrong, or indifferent, should that significant partner perceive it as such, it isn't something that you should do. So in this, I think it's the mayor that fired the first shot, not the NYPD.

I don't disagree that the Mayor "fired the first shot". I'm just saying the police would have done better to act like adults at the funeral, so the focus could stay on the slain officer, and reserve their grievances against the Mayor for another time. There will be plenty of time in negotiations and such to address this.

Maybe it's just me, but a funeral is for the deceased and their loved ones. Nobody else.

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

Not ture. 25,000 police attended, and reports say "several hundred turned their backs"... Not even close to "all"..

Yeah. OK, fine.

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

Wait so then why are you here on this poll? If our "opinons dont matter" then why are you here in this thread?

Poll or discussion thread? They both kinda look pretty much the same, don't they?

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

Oh wow.... Oh wow...

Yes, I consider NYC a zoo. A zoo from top to bottom, from North to South, from East to West, the entire thing, and the main exhibit are humans in far too close and densely packed living situation. Any number of phycosis can come from the stresses living like that.

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

Whats a "blue flu"? Is this some imaginary disease?

Historical reference. Before your time?

A "sickout", or (especially by uniformed police officers) "blue flu", is a type of strike action in which the strikers call in sick. This is used in cases where laws prohibit certain employees from declaring a strike. Police, firefighters, air traffic controllers, and teachers in some U.S. states, are among the groups commonly barred from striking usually by state and federal laws meant to ensure the safety or security of the general public.

Strike action - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BLUE FLU Cops on strike, December 1970 - January 1971 cHAPTER 384 - NY Daily News
Images of America - Milwaukee Police Department
What Is the Blue Flu? (with pictures)

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

Can you answer this? : Is speaking to the FACTUAL realities of the situation "antagonizing"?
Ok... So speaking of the FACTUAL REALTIES is what? Doing what?
So again, speaking of the factual realities of our country is somehow "throwing the police under the bus"?

Covered below.

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

Soooo... Let me get this... Praising the NPYD (the police department in which he is the may of) is "throwing them under the bus"? WTF? What reality do you live in? What you want him to do? Get on his knees?

As I've stated all along. It doesn't matter what I think are the facts or are not, nor does it matter what you think the facts are or are not. What matters is what the police think the facts are or are not, and they think that the mayor has thrown them under the bus. It's both of their Dante's inferno to work through and work out of.

That in itself defines the situation, it's criticality, and the need for both the NYPD leaders and de Blasio to put a stop to this fairly pointless escalation between themselves before yet a more damaging thing explodes on the scene above and beyond a nutter whacking 2 on duty cops in their cruiser. Things can yet get far worse, like back to open warfare on cops and ambush killing of cops we've seen in this city before.

The shooting is believed to have been a targeted attack against police officers, and came less than a month after the murder of Seattle police officer Timothy Brenton under similar circumstances nearly 40 miles (64 km) to the north.

Lakewood, Washington police officer shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Get protesters to chat wanting dead cops, the police get worried.

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

So now its "well he should of just shut up and keep his zipper shut"? Well, wow.... "That big mayor, opening his mouth and talking about issues, what a dumbo! Its like all he needs to do is be a puppet head and do the typical smoke and mirrors show! Why should he ever have an opinion and speak about current issues!? What a disrespectful asshole! Respect our AUTHORTIAHH!!"

Your words, not mine. That's not at all what I said. What I said was: "Sometimes the greatest wisdom is know when not to speak, and if speaking knowing what to say and how to say it. Seems in this case this mayor failed in a rather spectacular fashion." I see no "well he should of just shut up and keep his zipper shut" here.

If de Blasio absolutely wanted, utterly felt compelled, to talk about what he did, I think he'd have been better advised to express it in terms that wouldn't antagonize the police force, to keep them on his side, or to win them back to his side, wouldn't antagonize any protestors, and would have brought an air calmness and civility to the situation. That would have been far more wise, in my estimation. Like I said, one would have thought that if he was as an accomplished politician as he thinks he is, he would have been able to pull it off, but I guess not.