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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Someone in a position of power basically implies that people in a certain profession are a racist trigger happy thugs who attack and murder black people and you actually have to ask that poll question about people in that profession turning their backs on that politician? That person is power stirred the pot, he is no different than Al Sharpton or some other race parasite who stirs up racial animosity. The mayor should have had their backs.But instead he planted his lips on the cocks of race hustlers and gave a huge middle finger to the police. Would this poll question been asked if the police turned their back on Al Sharpton Jessie Jackson or some other race parasite who helped stir the pot?
    I think those policemen disrespected the fallen hero, by thinking only of themselves. This was not the right place or time to do what they did.


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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Absolutely not and your strawman is BS. Reguardless, what the Mayor said or done the police should hold themselves to a higher standard. I Know I do.
    Wrong. The police should be held to the same standard - they are not above the law. The problem is not the occasional rogue cop but the government prosecutor allowing that criminal allegation to go unchallenged in court. The sane, among the protestors, realize this simple truth and are calling for legal accountability not some mythical training seminar to turn things around. De Blasio wants to be seen as "on the right side" by babbling BS about racist and extremely violent police actions yet calls for training which most sane folks reject as simply political BS. You do not hold he entire NYPD accountable (or call for their training) for the criminal actions of any individual officer just as you do not hold all blacks accoutable (or call for their training) for the criminal actions of any indivdual black person.
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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I think those policemen disrespected the fallen hero, by thinking only of themselves. This was not the right place or time to do what they did.
    We do not know how the deceased officer felt about the mayor. So we do not know for sure if it is the officers or the mayor who is being disrespectful. If he was one of those officers who said they did not want the mayor attending the funerals of fallen officers then the mayor is the one being disrespectful by showing up where he is not wanted. If the police officer had no problem with the mayor then it is the police officers who are he ones being disrespectful.

    If I was that officer and some politician implied I was a racist trigger happy thug who assaults and murders black people I would not want that politician anywhere near me or my family. It would be no different than not wanting Al Sharpton, Fred Phelps or some other antagonizer to show up at a funeral.
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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    I've been critical of the Brown protesters. I don't support this either.
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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well what were the "words and actions"?

    Again in this link it says he "has blood on his hands"? But what did he do? Nowhere did they say anything he did that lead to this "blood on his hands"...


    Same as above? WTF did he do?


    Same as above?W What the hell did he do?
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    You’ve heard in so many places, people of all backgrounds utter the same basic phrase. They’ve said, black lives matter. And they said it because it had to be said. It’s a phrase…that should be self-evident. But our history sadly requires us to say, black lives matter.



    [quote]New York City Mayor Says, #BlackLivesMatter - COLORLINES

    I remember watching this, and thinking, 'he just threw the cops under the bus', and sure enough, by the next day, the copy felt they had been throw under the bus as well.

    de Blasio, by his own words, has pt himself in an extremely vulnerable and weak political position, WRT to his relationship with the NYPD, one where he as mayor needs them and their support far more than the NYPD needs him.
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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Chirlane and I have had to talk to Dante for years about the dangers he may face. He’s a good young man, law abiding young man who never would think to do anything wrong. And yet because of a history that still hangs over us, the dangers he may face, we’ve had to literally train him, as families have all over this city for decades, in how to take special care in any encounter he has with the police officers—who are there to protect him. … For so many of our young people there’s a fear and for so many of our families there’s a fear. So I’ve had to worry over the years. Chirlane’s had to worry, “Is Dante safe?” each night. There’re so many families in the city who feel that each and every night: “Is my child safe?” And not just from the painful realities of crime and violence in some of our neighborhoods but, are they safe from the very people they want to have faith in as their protectors. That’s reality. …

    You’ve heard in so many places, people of all backgrounds utter the same basic phrase. They’ve said, black lives matter. And they said it because it had to be said. It’s a phrase…that should be self-evident. But our history sadly requires us to say, black lives matter.



    New York City Mayor Says, #BlackLivesMatter - COLORLINES

    I remember watching this, and thinking, 'he just threw the cops under the bus', and sure enough, by the next day, the copy felt they had been throw under the bus as well.
    So saying that his son being a black male being stopped more often than white males (which is true, statistic prove this), and recognizing that racism still exists in our society (which is true), and he even praises the NYPD, and somehow this means "GO KILL COPS!"? Seriously? If speaking of the factual realities of our country is "throwing the cops under the bus", maybe we have a problem of some members of society facing the reality of events in this country and less of a basic partisan problem....
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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So saying that his son being a black male being stopped more often than white males (which is true, statistic prove this), and recognizing that racism still exists in our society (which is true), means "GO KILL COPS!"? Seriously? If speaking of the factual realities of the countries is "throwing the cops under the bus", maybe we have a problem of some members of society facing the reality of events in this country and less of a basic partisan problem....
    It really doesn't matter much what you or I think or what you or I feel about this. It matters a great deal what the cops think and what the cops feel about this. They think and feel that they've been thrown under the bus.

    The cops, in unison, across the nation, and indeed across to other nations as well, react to de Basio's words that they were thrown under the bus by the mayor. This is going to poison this vitally important relationship, between of the office of the mayor and the police force, and, as makes no difference, renders this particular mayor as ineffective and incapable of properly discharging the duties of his elected office. Perhaps he should resign.

    Frankly, I think he shouldn't have been showing off his progressive / liberal cred in this instance, he should have been a leader and backed up his police force, or perhaps not said anything at all. Why did he wade in, into a no win situation for him, and say what he did? Where's his gain for saying what he did? He has none that I can see. How foolish is that?
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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Wrong. The police should be held to the same standard - they are not above the law. The problem is not the occasional rogue cop but the government prosecutor allowing that criminal allegation to go unchallenged in court. The sane, among the protestors, realize this simple truth and are calling for legal accountability not some mythical training seminar to turn things around. De Blasio wants to be seen as "on the right side" by babbling BS about racist and extremely violent police actions yet calls for training which most sane folks reject as simply political BS. You do not hold he entire NYPD accountable (or call for their training) for the criminal actions of any individual officer just as you do not hold all blacks accoutable (or call for their training) for the criminal actions of any indivdual black person.
    I don't believe I said anything about the mayor, of course he should be held to a higher standard. If the police think the mayor disrespected , they should confront with it. I don't believe they should be doing it at policeman's funeral.


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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    Think it comes down to how the family of Officer Rafael Ramos felt about having the protest. If they support that then I see nothing wrong.

    My only concern was that the protest overshadowed the funeral of a husband and father of two sons. In three pages of postings not one person has even mention the named of Officer Rafael Ramos.

    For Officer Ramos's two sons it was good for them to see the number of fellow police officers who came to give their respect. They will remember that long line of blue for the rest of their lives.

    Even Vice President Biden whom many here despise had some heartfelt words for the Ramos family. I thought his comment
    “He will be part of your life for the entirety of your life.”
    was very poignant and words of wisdom for these two young men.


    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-rafael-ramos/

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    Re: Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

    The NYPD can act like victims if they like, but they're certainly still in the wrong on this whole issue.
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