View Poll Results: Since 2000 - Has The USA Tortured Anyone?

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Thread: Since the year 2000, has the USA tortured?

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    Since the year 2000, has the USA tortured?

    Has the USA (any recognized faction, sub-segment, branch, affiliation, or official) condoned the use of, or participated, or carried out any form of "torture" on anyone since the turn of the most recent century?

    Whether the "victim" was legally or illegally detained, charged or not, stood trial or not, considered a terrorist, enemy combatant, or even a US citizen, has torture been used by the USofA as a tool or some other form of punishment?

    Is the USofA guilty of using torture in any kind of scenario as the definition of torture is widely known?

    Or, to put it another way, is the USofA ever justified in using using "techniques" that the majority of others in the world consider "torture",

    Since the year 2000 - has the USofA tortured anyone? If you answer "yes" - do you consider it justifiable or criminal?
    If you answered "no" - is it because your definition of torture is somewhat different than most others people's definition? As in, "relative to what the terrorists have been doing, there's nothing the USofA could do that would be worse or more inhumane."
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    Re: Since the year 2000, has the USA tortured?

    Under the legal definition of torture the US has not authorized torture on anyone since 2000, this is not my opinion but a simple fact.

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    Re: Since the year 2000, has the USA tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Under the legal definition of torture the US has not authorized torture on anyone since 2000, this is not my opinion but a simple fact.
    Would you care to provide that "legal definition"?
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    Re: Since the year 2000, has the USA tortured?

    Sadly, yes.
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    Re: Since the year 2000, has the USA tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Has the USA (any recognized faction, sub-segment, branch, affiliation, or official) condoned the use of, or participated, or carried out any form of "torture" on anyone since the turn of the most recent century?

    Whether the "victim" was legally or illegally detained, charged or not, stood trial or not, considered a terrorist, enemy combatant, or even a US citizen, has torture been used by the USofA as a tool or some other form of punishment?

    Is the USofA guilty of using torture in any kind of scenario as the definition of torture is widely known?

    Or, to put it another way, is the USofA ever justified in using using "techniques" that the majority of others in the world consider "torture",

    Since the year 2000 - has the USofA tortured anyone? If you answer "yes" - do you consider it justifiable or criminal?
    If you answered "no" - is it because your definition of torture is somewhat different than most others people's definition? As in, "relative to what the terrorists have been doing, there's nothing the USofA could do that would be worse or more inhumane."
    In the strict sense of the words the answer is "no" with a high degree of probability. The government seems clearly not to ave mandated "torture". That does not mean that none were tortured. What seems certain, however, is that the level of allowed force was very much breached and that there are people that thus broke the law, when they were working for the government and that have not been put on trail. They do not seem to have been pardoned either. That is definitely bad, because the executive is bound by law as is the judiciary. They are not allowed to apply the law as they like and, when they do, it should be a ground for immediate and mandatory impeachment.

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    Re: Since the year 2000, has the USA tortured?

    Bush II said no

    PANAMA CITY, Panama -- President Bush on Monday defended U.S. interrogation practices and called the treatment of terrorism suspects lawful. "We do not torture," Bush declared in response to reports of secret CIA prisons overseas.

    Bush supported an effort spearheaded by Vice President Dick Cheney to block or modify a proposed Senate-passed ban on torture.
    Bush III on torture
    "I was clear throughout this campaign and was clear throughout this transition that under my administration the United States does not torture," Obama said, when asked at the news conference whether he would continue the Bush administration's policy of harsh interrogation. "We will abide by the Geneva Conventions. We will uphold our highest ideals."

    and moreover, Clinton did not have sex with that woman.

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    Re: Since the year 2000, has the USA tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Has the USA (any recognized faction, sub-segment, branch, affiliation, or official) condoned the use of, or participated, or carried out any form of "torture" on anyone since the turn of the most recent century?

    Whether the "victim" was legally or illegally detained, charged or not, stood trial or not, considered a terrorist, enemy combatant, or even a US citizen, has torture been used by the USofA as a tool or some other form of punishment?

    Is the USofA guilty of using torture in any kind of scenario as the definition of torture is widely known?

    Or, to put it another way, is the USofA ever justified in using using "techniques" that the majority of others in the world consider "torture",

    Since the year 2000 - has the USofA tortured anyone? If you answer "yes" - do you consider it justifiable or criminal?
    If you answered "no" - is it because your definition of torture is somewhat different than most others people's definition? As in, "relative to what the terrorists have been doing, there's nothing the USofA could do that would be worse or more inhumane."
    How is this a poll? It's a fact, they already admitted to doing it. Yes, we've tortured people and no, we shouldn't have. If you become a monster to fight monsters the world will just be full of monsters.

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    Re: Since the year 2000, has the USA tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Under the legal definition of torture the US has not authorized torture on anyone since 2000, this is not my opinion but a simple fact.
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    Re: Since the year 2000, has the USA tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Has the USA (any recognized faction, sub-segment, branch, affiliation, or official) condoned the use of, or participated, or carried out any form of "torture" on anyone since the turn of the most recent century?

    Whether the "victim" was legally or illegally detained, charged or not, stood trial or not, considered a terrorist, enemy combatant, or even a US citizen, has torture been used by the USofA as a tool or some other form of punishment?

    Is the USofA guilty of using torture in any kind of scenario as the definition of torture is widely known?

    Or, to put it another way, is the USofA ever justified in using using "techniques" that the majority of others in the world consider "torture",

    Since the year 2000 - has the USofA tortured anyone? If you answer "yes" - do you consider it justifiable or criminal?
    If you answered "no" - is it because your definition of torture is somewhat different than most others people's definition? As in, "relative to what the terrorists have been doing, there's nothing the USofA could do that would be worse or more inhumane."
    Haven't we already hashed this out in the last couple weeks?
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    Re: Since the year 2000, has the USA tortured?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    How is this a poll? It's a fact, they already admitted to doing it. Yes, we've tortured people and no, we shouldn't have.
    Apparently not everybody agrees with you RabidAlpaca. See below.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It all depends on your definitions.
    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    In the strict sense of the words the answer is "no"
    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Under the legal definition of torture the US has not authorized torture on anyone since 2000, this is not my opinion but a simple fact.
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