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Maybe he loved her.
You never can tell, I suppose. :mrgreen:
Maybe he loved her.
No. They were forward thinking pioneers who rejected state religions, the crown, limits on speech, state powers of arrest and conviction, etc.IOW, a couple of them (most notably Jefferson and Franklin) were Libertine scum bags in their personal lives, and you think that was a good thing.
You realize that the vast majority of the men responsible for bringing the United States into existence were actually more "traditional" in terms of their values and morality than their European counter-parts of the same era, correct? Franklin, for example, was rather impressed with the degree of wanton debauchery tolerated in London or Paris that would have been utterly taboo back in the colonies.
In any case, your confusing your terms. Political and economic "Liberalism" is not the same thing as being morally "liberal." They are fundamentally different things.
You people put the rights of the individual over the rights of the state is what I am saying. And yes, you Americans are prudish. The fact that so many of you are god-fearing christians is a significant factor.
You never can tell, I suppose. :mrgreen:
Statistically, American women in general lean liberal, no matter what their age or marital status. I have posted statistics directly to you to that effect before. They may become less liberal dependent on those factors, but so do men.
Overall, the factors affecting political ideology are exactly the same for men and women. But women lean more liberal to start with than men do, so they never wind up crossing over into majority conservative. Men overall are always more conservative than women, in every category.
However "women," or "men," for that matter, are nor conservative or liberal as some kind mass unit. At any given age or marital status, a substantial number are on either side, or no side.
So... how about taking individuals as just that?
I like my women conservative in the streets, liberal in the sheets.
No. They were forward thinking pioneers who rejected state religions, the crown, limits on speech, state powers of arrest and conviction, etc.
This same rejection of commonly accepted limitations on humanity by the founding fathers are in the same spirit as the rejection of limitations on humanity by liberals today.
Well, of course there is no way to know for sure, but based on the things I've read about him, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually cared about her. He is among my favorite characters in history, and one of the people I'd love to have been able to meet. I bet we would have got on famously.
Men, left to their own devices, would be libertarian, that is they favor freedom in social issues and freedom in economic-fiscal issues.I've often found this truth deeply contradicting to the perceived reality. From my experiences unmarried women and under 30 women tend to be Liberal yet married women and women over 30 tend to be what I would almost call "Mullah-Esq-Conservative".
What do you think?
in only one presidential election since women were given the vote (1920-Harding won) has the Democrat nominee won a majority of the male votes-that was LBJ. Meaning if women were as conservative as men, we would have been spared the idiocy of the New Deal, and Obama
I've often found this truth deeply contradicting to the perceived reality. From my experiences unmarried women and under 30 women tend to be Liberal yet married women and women over 30 tend to be what I would almost call "Mullah-Esq-Conservative".
What do you think?
Again, no. They're really not.
First off, whether or not moral behavior is a "limitation on humanity" in the first place is rather subjective. What you seem to view as "evolution," I view as devolution into ever greater depths of callous selfishness and animalistic depravity.
Secondly, as I already pointed out, European culture has always been rather morally lax in comparison to the American variety, even when the Continent had extremely "Conservative" political institutions in place, like state religions, monarchs, limits on speech, and unlimited state powers. As a matter of fact, in many regards, Europe remains less "Liberal" than the United States where such issues are concerned to this very day ('Hate Speech' laws, extraordinarily stringent economic regulations, an almost complete lack of ability for common citizens to bear arms, etca, etca).
You're implying a connection here which simply doesn't exist, I'm afraid.
I've often found this truth deeply contradicting to the perceived reality. From my experiences unmarried women and under 30 women tend to be Liberal yet married women and women over 30 tend to be what I would almost call "Mullah-Esq-Conservative".
What do you think?
Putting those two things in the same universe is almost unbelievably asinine in its hackishness.
Thank goodness they aren't, as far as I'm concerned.
Citation needed.Men, left to their own devices, would be libertarian, that is they favor freedom in social issues and freedom in economic-fiscal issues.
Women, left to their own devices, would be justicerian, that is they favor security in social issues and security in economic-fiscal issues.
I've often found this truth deeply contradicting to the perceived reality. From my experiences unmarried women and under 30 women tend to be Liberal yet married women and women over 30 tend to be what I would almost call "Mullah-Esq-Conservative".
What do you think?
I've often found this truth deeply contradicting to the perceived reality. From my experiences unmarried women and under 30 women tend to be Liberal yet married women and women over 30 tend to be what I would almost call "Mullah-Esq-Conservative".
What do you think?
Stereotype much?
:shrug: it's a stereotype because it's true. Married women are more conservative than unmarried women,
Well, the question was are women liberal or conservative. I don't have to point out how foolish that question is.
The OP made a pretty clear distinction.
I replied to the first post and I have one question. What OP?
From my experiences unmarried women and under 30 women tend to be Liberal yet married women and women over 30 tend to be what I would almost call "Mullah-Esq-Conservative".
You have a warped view of the Europeans... They have their own versions of conservatives. They have more racism, which is kept more in the closet because their countries are much more homogeneous. Some have more nationalism and cultural fascism. They have more than a few non-liberal problems. Some are much more misogynistic in their own way, there is the political elite perception of the Europeans, then there is the cultural reality of it's people.No. They were forward thinking pioneers who rejected state religions, the crown, limits on speech, state powers of arrest and conviction, etc.
This same rejection of commonly accepted limitations on humanity by the founding fathers are in the same spirit as the rejection of limitations on humanity by liberals today.
I don't particularly disagree with your arguments, but would argue that the European views of the moral issues are more individualistic. Viewing extramarital affairs as acceptable is very individualistic.
All Americans are liberals. You are a liberal nation. You have a warped understanding of the word liberal. Your Founding Fathers were liberals. Inspired by John Locke.
American conservatives are liberals. So are the Australian conservatives - The Liberal Party...
What did Putin say about the transvestite Russian that married a lesbian Russian in Russia the other week? That they should either be put in a mental asylum or immigrate to the liberal United States of America. Americans are liberals. Your constitution is liberal. You are all liberals.
edit- Non-liberals like me and Putin believe that Freedom belongs to the State. Not to the individual.
I have a warped view on many things.You have a warped view of the Europeans... They have their own versions of conservatives. They have more racism, which is kept more in the closet because their countries are much more homogeneous. Some have more nationalism and cultural fascism. They have more than a few non-liberal problems. Some are much more misogynistic in their own way, there is the political elite perception of the Europeans, then there is the cultural reality of it's people.