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    Re: Are American women Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The founding fathers were incredibly progressive thinkers for their time. They thankfully weren't hung up on traditional morality, much like our more enlightened modern European equivalents.
    IOW, a couple of them (most notably Jefferson and Franklin) were Libertine scum bags in their personal lives, and you think that was a good thing.

    You realize that the vast majority of the men responsible for bringing the United States into existence were actually more "traditional" in terms of their values and morality than their European counter-parts of the same era, correct? Franklin, for example, was rather impressed with the degree of wanton debauchery tolerated in London or Paris that would have been utterly taboo back in the colonies.

    In any case, you're confusing your terms. Political and economic "Liberalism" is not the same thing as being morally "liberal." They are fundamentally different things.
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    Re: Are American women Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    IOW, a couple of them (most notably Jefferson and Franklin) were Libertine scum bags, and you think that was a good thing.

    You realize that the vast majority of them were actually more "traditional" in terms of their values and morality than their European counter-parts of the same era, correct? Franklin, for example, was rather impressed with the degree of wanton debauchery tolerated in London or Paris that would have been utterly taboo back in the colonies.

    In any case, your confusing your terms. Political and economic "Liberalism" is not the same thing as being morally "liberal." They are fundamentally different things.
    Don't be hatin' on my favorite FF- Jefferson is my personal hero.
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    Re: Are American women Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Americans aren't as liberal as a good percentage of the developed world.

    You people put the rights of the individual over the rights of the state is what I am saying. And yes, you Americans are prudish. The fact that so many of you are god-fearing christians is a significant factor.

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    Re: Are American women Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Don't be hatin' on my favorite FF- Jefferson is my personal hero.
    Oh, don't get me wrong. He was an important man, who did a lot of great things for our country.

    I'm just not sure if I'd list "extramarital slave humping" among his most esteemed accomplishments.

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    Re: Are American women Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Oh, don't get me wrong. He was an important man, who did a lot of great things for our country.

    I'm just not sure if I'd list "extramarital slave humping" among his most esteemed accomplishments.
    Maybe he loved her.
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    Re: Are American women Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Maybe he loved her.
    You never can tell, I suppose.

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    Re: Are American women Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    IOW, a couple of them (most notably Jefferson and Franklin) were Libertine scum bags in their personal lives, and you think that was a good thing.

    You realize that the vast majority of the men responsible for bringing the United States into existence were actually more "traditional" in terms of their values and morality than their European counter-parts of the same era, correct? Franklin, for example, was rather impressed with the degree of wanton debauchery tolerated in London or Paris that would have been utterly taboo back in the colonies.

    In any case, your confusing your terms. Political and economic "Liberalism" is not the same thing as being morally "liberal." They are fundamentally different things.
    No. They were forward thinking pioneers who rejected state religions, the crown, limits on speech, state powers of arrest and conviction, etc.

    This same rejection of commonly accepted limitations on humanity by the founding fathers are in the same spirit as the rejection of limitations on humanity by liberals today.

    Quote Originally Posted by spangledbanner View Post
    You people put the rights of the individual over the rights of the state is what I am saying. And yes, you Americans are prudish. The fact that so many of you are god-fearing christians is a significant factor.
    I don't particularly disagree with your arguments, but would argue that the European views of the moral issues are more individualistic. Viewing extramarital affairs as acceptable is very individualistic.
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    Re: Are American women Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    You never can tell, I suppose.
    Well, of course there is no way to know for sure, but based on the things I've read about him, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually cared about her. He is among my favorite characters in history, and one of the people I'd love to have been able to meet. I bet we would have got on famously.
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    Re: Are American women Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Statistically, American women in general lean liberal, no matter what their age or marital status. I have posted statistics directly to you to that effect before. They may become less liberal dependent on those factors, but so do men.

    Overall, the factors affecting political ideology are exactly the same for men and women. But women lean more liberal to start with than men do, so they never wind up crossing over into majority conservative. Men overall are always more conservative than women, in every category.

    However "women," or "men," for that matter, are nor conservative or liberal as some kind mass unit. At any given age or marital status, a substantial number are on either side, or no side.

    So... how about taking individuals as just that?
    in only one presidential election since women were given the vote (1920-Harding won) has the Democrat nominee won a majority of the male votes-that was LBJ. Meaning if women were as conservative as men, we would have been spared the idiocy of the New Deal, and Obama



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    Re: Are American women Conservative or Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    I like my women conservative in the streets, liberal in the sheets.

    Yup. The best of all combinations.
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