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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    The power to make treaties which become the supreme law of the land is in the constitution, maybe you should read article 6 again
    This power does not extend to the point of violating other provisions in the Constitution. Our government does not, for example, have the authority to deprive us of our rights to freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the right to keep and bear arms, and so on. At the federal level, our government does not have the authority to claim any powers that the Constitution does not explicitly delegate thereto.

    It is not rational to suppose that the authors of the Constitution intended to allow the possibility that our government might use a treaty with a foreign nation as a way to circumvent the limitations and protections that the Constitution is clearly intended to assert. Our government, cannot, for example, enter into a treaty with Iran that requires all citizens of the U.S. to convert to Islam.

    Our government does not have the authority to cede to any foreign interest, any power over us, that our government does not, itself have the legitimate authority to exercise over us; and nothing in the portion of the Constitution which you cites—nor anywhere else in the Constitution—can rationally be construed as claiming otherwise.
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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    anonymous polls suck
    Elections are anonymous polls.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Elections are anonymous polls.
    Elections suck!
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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Interesting. Would contributing to the cost of civilization in the 21st century be on of those things that allows people to live in harmony, or is it demanding others do so that brings people together?
    So you're in favor of taxes then? Hand in your conservative credentials immediately.


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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Elections suck!
    I think you'll find that most people here would say that depends on who wins.


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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Elections are anonymous polls.

    that has zero relevance here



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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    This should provide an interesting discussion.

    The question is this: can you estimate the time period where the united state stopped following the founding fathers exact vision of how the government should operate, as detailed in the federalist papers, U.S constitution, and other founding documents?

    The time periods under scrutiny are as follows:

    1. 1790-1860s. The first time frame covers the administrations of the founding fathers and goes up to the start of the civil war. This time frame assumes that the founding fathers did not adhere to a static interpration of the constitution and found it necessary to fill in the blanks with regards to practical governance.

    2.the second time frame starts in 1860 and concludes around 1900.

    3. Time frame three is set around 1900 and lasts until 1932.

    4. The fourth choice of time frame is from 1932 to 1945.

    If these options seem limited, make your own theory as a fifth option.
    By the end of the first year after ratification would be my guess. I read somewhere or another that Thomas Jefferson so despised Congress when he was president that he wished they had set it up for the supreme court to oversee the Congress in all matters.

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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Depends on what you mean by that.

    The way some people talk about them, they never "followed the path of the Founding Fathers."

    If you were to look at the issues they faced, their electoral politics, and the positions they started taking I would say the 1820s and 1830s marked many important divisional points.
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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    anonymous polls suck
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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I don't see anything that indicated that mandated we avoid becoming a federal nation?

    Also, why is hamilton's viewpoint considered repugnant? I thought that hamilton was just as big an influence in the development of this country as Maddison and Jefferson?
    Hamilton and his wing of Federalists were instrumental in the development of the nation. Small government types just attempt to convince themselves otherwise. I'm glad my ancestor (2nd Sec of Treasury) stuck with the Bank and Hamilton.
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