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Thread: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Really?

    All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

    I don't see it. Where is there any support in this text for the federal government to regulate “controlled substances”?

    Keep in mind that when there was a movement to ban alcohol at the national level, it was widely and correctly understood that the Constitution did not allow it, and that the only legitimate way to do so was to specifically amend the Constitution in order to establish this power, hence, the Eighteenth Amendment.
    Maybe you should check out what treaties we are a party to

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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Interesting. Would contributing to the cost of civilization in the 21st century be on of those things that allows people to live in harmony, or is it demanding others do so that brings people together?
    It is not an either or situation. All members of society should contribute to the cost of civilization.
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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is not an either or situation. All members of society should contribute to the cost of civilization.
    I agree. I wonder when that will happen? It seems there is much effort by the left to avoid movement towards that objective.

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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    This should provide an interesting discussion.

    The question is this: can you estimate the time period where the united state stopped following the founding fathers exact vision of how the government should operate, as detailed in the federalist papers, U.S constitution, and other founding documents?

    The time periods under scrutiny are as follows:

    1. 1790-1860s. The first time frame covers the administrations of the founding fathers and goes up to the start of the civil war. This time frame assumes that the founding fathers did not adhere to a static interpration of the constitution and found it necessary to fill in the blanks with regards to practical governance.

    2.the second time frame starts in 1860 and concludes around 1900.

    3. Time frame three is set around 1900 and lasts until 1932.

    4. The fourth choice of time frame is from 1932 to 1945.

    If these options seem limited, make your own theory as a fifth option.
    Around the end of the civil war (which was not about slavery, fyi).

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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Maybe you should check out what treaties we are a party to
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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    To me, as an outsider the Americans never stopped following the path of the founding fathers, they just followed the times and evolved the path of the founding fathers to be valid and inclusive in accordance with our time/the shifting sands of time.

    Sadly, the US dream might have evolved to still be useful in the modern times (as well as the economy etc.), the only thing that has not changed is the political system which is no longer working in a country with 300 million people. But that is my point of view, but as a whole the Americans are still on the path of the founding fathers but have adapted it to a country in the 21st century and the number of people that live in the US.
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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I agree. I wonder when that will happen? It seems there is much effort by the left to avoid movement towards that objective.
    People accuse me of being left - and I am on some issues - and I feel very strongly that every person making dollar one in our society should pay taxes. And those who cannot pay taxes should be made to contribute in some other way like community service.
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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Nothing in the Constitution allows the federal government, by treaty, to cede to foreign interests any powers which do not belong to the federal government in the first place; nor to allow foreign treaties to be used as a means of circumventing the Constitution.
    The power to make treaties which become the supreme law of the land is in the constitution, maybe you should read article 6 again

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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Other: I reject the premise of the question.
    "[T]he Jew ought hardly be heard of; but he is heard of, has always been heard of... The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose... the Greek and the Roman followed, and made a vast noise, and they are gone...The Jew saw them all, and is now what he always was... All things are mortal but the Jew..." -Mark Twain, from Concerning the Jews

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