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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Yes thats true but ttwtt claimed that the govt started simply started unconstitutionally banning things when they have always used constitutional loopholes like that
    Really? That "loophole" established a precedent which now allows, basically, anything to be nationally banned as a "controlled substance".

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    A Schedule I drug or other substance may be banned if:
    (A) The HANDGUN has a high potential for abuse.
    (B) The HANDGUN has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    (C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the HANDGUN under medical supervision.
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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Obviously the Constitution is repugnant to anyone with socialist beliefs.
    And the socialism reference gives me a right wing sound bite bingo!
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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    This should provide an interesting discussion.

    The question is this: can you estimate the time period where the united state stopped following the founding fathers exact vision of how the government should operate, as detailed in the federalist papers, U.S constitution, and other founding documents?

    The time periods under scrutiny are as follows:

    1. 1790-1860s. The first time frame covers the administrations of the founding fathers and goes up to the start of the civil war. This time frame assumes that the founding fathers did not adhere to a static interpration of the constitution and found it necessary to fill in the blanks with regards to practical governance.

    2.the second time frame starts in 1860 and concludes around 1900.

    3. Time frame three is set around 1900 and lasts until 1932.

    4. The fourth choice of time frame is from 1932 to 1945.

    If these options seem limited, make your own theory as a fifth option.
    This is a fantastic poll question!

    Periodically we have wavered off and wandered back (example: Wilson --> Coolidge). Since the Hoover Administration, however, we have wavered but not "wandered back" so much as we have "veered back towards, only to curve away again". I choose the 1932, as it is the closest option.

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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Freeing the slaves, allowing women to vote, and civil / equal rights in general veered pretty far off from the "path of the founding fathers". I have never understood the blatant worship of the founders. They started the nation, thank God we have improved upon it a lot since then.
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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Really? That "loophole" established a precedent which now allows, basically, anything to be nationally banned as a "controlled substance".

    21 U.S. Code § 812 - Schedules of controlled substances | LII / Legal Information Institute

    A Schedule I drug or other substance may be banned if:
    (A) The HANDGUN has a high potential for abuse.
    (B) The HANDGUN has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    (C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the HANDGUN under medical supervision.
    Now you are just making stuff up. The controlled substances act is authorized by article 6 of the constitution and that power couldnt be used to ban guns as stated in Reid v Covert

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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    April 12, 1783.
    That was actually pre-Constitution.


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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    The longest lasting and most serious violations of the constitution took place during the New Deal



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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This is a fantastic poll question!

    Periodically we have wavered off and wandered back (example: Wilson --> Coolidge). Since the Hoover Administration, however, we have wavered but not "wandered back" so much as we have "veered back towards, only to curve away again". I choose the 1932, as it is the closest option.
    Like I said. You, as a Republican want to go back to the Second Republic, founded by your party. Which still isn't the original.

    I'm ambivalent about the original anyway, but I wouldn't want to go back to the era of Robber Barons either.


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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That was actually pre-Constitution.
    Correct. It was something of a facetious answer to a silly question. It also has more accuracy than any of the potential poll choices.

    To highlight how painfully silly the poll question is, answer this question: which founding father?
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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Correct. It was something of a facetious answer to a silly question. It also has more accuracy than any of the potential poll choices.

    To highlight how painfully silly the poll question is, answer this question: which founding father?
    I agree. Even they had different ideas. Adams and Jefferson could hardly stand each other.

    I'm going to go with the Burr/Hamilton duel, when one Founding Father shot and killed another one because they couldn't agree.


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