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Thread: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    That is correct which is why I said as much in post #45 including referencing, Reid v Covert, the relevant SCOTUS case.



    once again the constitution gives the federal govt the power to make treaties that become the supreme law of the land
    The Constitution remains the most supreme law of the land, and nothing can override it. Foreign treaties certainly cannot legitimately be used to circumvent it, as you are suggesting and advocating.



    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Once again correct and I have already said as much once again I point you to Reid v Covert

    However there is nothing in the constitution which creates a right to do drugs so a treaty can ban those and note that the treaty doesnt [sic] even override the 10th amendment as local entities are allowed to legalize drugs.



    No one is ceding authority to your mythical "foreign interest" we freely agree to treaties and we can pull our support from them at any time
    If the federal government does not have the legitimate authority to prohibit drug abuse (which, per the Tenth Amendment, it certainly does not have), then it cannot, by treaty, cede this authority to a foreign interest. The federal government cannot give away by treaty that which is not its own to give.

    The point of the Tenth Amendment is that any power not explicitly delegated to the federal government belongs to lower (state) levels of government, or to the people themselves—to authorities more localized and directly accountable. To suppose that the federal government can, by treaty, give these powers to foreign interests that are more distant, more removed from the people, and less accountable thereto, is about as opposite as you can possibly get to the clear intent of the Tenth Amendment.
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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The Constitution remains the most supreme law of the land, and nothing can override it.
    Except the President... and Congress... and the Supreme Court...
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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Stop right there. We have a republican form of government.
    thats debatable, since the senate is no longer in the hands of the states......america is no longer a republic based on that the founders created ..the roman republic.

    states are no longer republican which have referendums and initiatives....because that is democratic government...direct democracy.

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    When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    thats debatable, since the senate is no longer in the hands of the states......america is no longer a republic based on that the founders created ..the roman republic.

    states are no longer republican which have referendums and initiatives....because that is democratic government...direct democracy.
    It's still a republic, but the amount of republican orientation has decreased the increased democracy of the past century.
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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    The Civil War was the first major turning point, replacing state's rights with those of a totalitarian state.

    FDR and his many socialist programs was the next shift away from the Founder's vision.

    LBJ and his disasterous Great Society Programs sealed the fate of a free republic.
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    Re: When did the United States stop following the path of the founding fathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's still a republic, but the amount of republican orientation has decreased the increased democracy of the past century.
    true.

    but its more a republic based on the modern version of the word "republic".

    the founders republic is based on the roman republic, in the time of the founders there is no such thing as a democratic republic.

    the founders hate democrat forms of government, the american republic employs only and 1 element of democracy.....the house...

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