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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Offensive way to refer to your support? You've made it very clear you're doubling your efforts to expose the "Blue Line" that exists. It is offensive to suggest Cops are out to kill people because of the color of their skin and then hide the action behind a complicit justice system. To suggest that is true and to push it is the embodiment of agenda.
    I don't think cops are "out" to kill people because of their race. However, there is a lot of institutional racism within the police department that is hidden behind a complicit justice system. If you don't agree, then so be it. I consider you part of the problem. It's also unfortunate that you truly believe that the protests are as trivial as a mere "agenda" and not about a deeply felt frustration with a demonstrably flawed system. That you and others have such an opinion makes my support of the protests that more urgent and strong.

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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    There was a catastrophe in my community about 15 years ago, and people gathered the same evening for an impromptu memorial service in an arena. Bush the Elder had been in Europe, but he flew back immediately and was seated on the stage...but he never spoke a word; he was simply there. Ever since, I have admired him greatly. It was not his place to speak (even though he was a former President)...and if he had, then the service would have become about him. But he was there, and this meant the world to me and others then and now.
    But, and that is a big but, the mayor of New York is the person who appoints the police commissioner and thus is responsible for the police department in his city. For that reason him being there and speaking is much more logical than a president being present at a disaster anywhere in the US where he was just there to pay his respect/support the citizens of that area. The mayor was talking as the highest responsible administrator for the police department, not there just as a show of respect/support the citizens.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Why would back-turning be "unwise"? What does "wisdom" have to do with this silent protest?
    Why do you think the Westboro Baptist Church gets more criticism when it protests at funerals than it does when it protests elsewhere? What is it about funerals, specifically, that people tend to be more careful about?

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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't think cops are "out" to kill people because of their race. However, there is a lot of institutional racism within the police department that is hidden behind a complicit justice system. If you don't agree, then so be it. I consider you part of the problem. It's also unfortunate that you truly believe that the protests are as trivial as a mere "agenda" and not about a deeply felt frustration with a demonstrably flawed system. That you and others have such an opinion makes my support of the protests that more urgent and strong.
    Of course an agenda driven agitant would see me as part of the problem. That is the fallacy of the agenda you tried to deny. Insuring the deeply felt frustration is manipulated away from a real effort to address the problem has been the MO for decades.

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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    No, that's not a fact. As I stated, the amount of Black people stopped by police under stop-and-frisk was disproportionately high. The percentage of stops far exceeded the percentage of crime committed by Black people.
    And the percentage of people stopped by RIDE drinking and driving spot checks far exceeds the number of people who commit the crime of driving while drunk. Should police stop doing that and let drunk drives ride roughshod over the rest of the driving public?

    Police go where crime is usually found and where communities want/need protection from crime - plain and simple.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And the percentage of people stopped by RIDE drinking and driving spot checks far exceeds the number of people who commit the crime of driving while drunk. Should police stop doing that and let drunk drives ride roughshod over the rest of the driving public?

    Police go where crime is usually found and where communities want/need protection from crime - plain and simple.
    Can you comment on the fact that your original comment that police proportionately stopped people of color under stop-and-frisk was incorrect before moving onto the reasons behind such disproportionate stops?

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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Why do you think the Westboro Baptist Church gets more criticism when it protests at funerals than it does when it protests elsewhere? What is it about funerals, specifically, that people tend to be more careful about?
    Who was protesting the funeral of Officer Ramos? Nobody.

    Officers were protesting the presence of the Mayor, a divisive figure in NYC at the moment and his attendance was counter to the police union, collectively, asking that he not attend the funeral of any officer who dies on duty which they stated prior to these two officers being murdered.

    I will say, just as an aside, those on the left who are constantly touting the value of unions and union solidarity throw all of that out the window pretty quickly when they don't support the union or the action taken. If it had been sanitation workers showing the same disrespect to the Mayor, the silence from the left would be deafening.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Can you comment on the fact that your original comment that police proportionately stopped people of color under stop-and-frisk was incorrect before moving onto the reasons behind such disproportionate stops?
    My comment wasn't incorrect. It was factually bang on. In NYC today, and particularly so in the early 1990s when Stop, Question, and Frisk was first stepped up, crime is disproportionately committed by and victimizes black people in their communities. As a result, what you call disproportional black/police interaction in these communities is actually directly proportional to the amount of crime committed. And those black communities - with the exception of those committing crimes - are in the majority supportive of the police efforts to reduce and eliminate crime in their areas.

    Ignore the facts all you want - your need to coddle black criminals as poor souls being victimized by racist police is clearly transparent.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Still, the hope is that for just an hour during a funeral, mourners can put away their differences and "play nicely."

    It's also true, though, that this funeral was a unique opportunity for the rank-and-file to silently protest. They have no ordinary contact with their boss, and so the unique moment was seized.

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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Who was protesting the funeral of Officer Ramos? Nobody.
    I said "protesting AT a funeral" not "protesting a funeral." Now, would you like to try again by commenting on my actual argument.

    Officers were protesting the presence of the Mayor, a divisive figure in NYC at the moment and his attendance was counter to the police union, collectively, asking that he not attend the funeral of any officer who dies on duty which they stated prior to these two officers being murdered.
    I know what they were protesting. When they did it at the hospital, it was fine. At the funeral, not so much.

    I will say, just as an aside, those on the left who are constantly touting the value of unions and union solidarity throw all of that out the window pretty quickly when they don't support the union or the action taken. If it had been sanitation workers showing the same disrespect to the Mayor, the silence from the left would be deafening.
    This should be directed at other people because I haven't thrown my support of unionism out of the window. That's why I cringe when people say that the officers who killed Eric Garner, Michael Brown, Akai Gurley, Tamir Rice, et al. should be fired without due process. I think the officers should be fired, but with the due process that unionism secures. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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