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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post

    Your idiotic comment makes it sound like a bunch of low level NYC police officers decided this was a good way to tick off blacks. Your post is pathetic.
    New York police officer Adrian Schoolcraft made extensive recordings in 2008–2009 which documented orders from NYPD officials to search and arrest black people in the Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood. Schoolcraft, who brought accusations of misconduct to NYPD investigators, was transferred to a desk job and then involuntarily committed to a psychiatric hospital. In 2010, Schoolcraft sent his tapes to the Village Voice, which publicized them in a series of reports. Schoolcraft alleges that the NYPD has retaliated against him for exposing information about the stop and frisk policy.
    So it wasn't a bunch of low level NYPD. It had to go to mid-management and probably higher than that. And yes, documented order to literally arrest Blacks. Not hypothetically. Not metaphorically. Literally. As in "go out and arrest some Black people".
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Do you actually know who gave the orders to initiate Stop and Frisk?

    Are you aware that Stop and Frisk, in its current form is constitutional as approved by the US Supreme Court?

    Are you aware that provisions for Stop and Frisk are found in New York State legislation?

    Are you aware that Mayor Rudy Gulianni approved the order in the early 1990's as part of a move to fight outrageous levels of crime in NYC?

    Your idiotic comment makes it sound like a bunch of low level NYC police officers decided this was a good way to tick off blacks. Your post is pathetic.
    Given the fact that you are speaking to a poster who is cribbing 'talking points' from comic book movie villains in place of his own intellectual POV? I'll bet real money he knows that "Hector's rectum is real" and other comic book movie lines ala Rogen. In other words, the real "meat" that makes internet debate forum contributors like reinoe so singularly unique and original! LOL.

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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    So it wasn't a bunch of low level NYPD. It had to go to mid-management and probably higher than that. And yes, documented order to literally arrest Blacks. Not hypothetically. Not metaphorically. Literally. As in "go out and arrest some Black people".
    All of which is constitutionally legal, as sanctioned by the Supreme Court - the documentation of the action a police officer takes each and every time a citizen is stopped, questioned, and frisked, also being sanctioned by legislation and the Supreme Court.

    As for "go out and arrest some black people", cite your reference to black people being arrested in NYC illegally and without cause. Otherwise, it's just more nonsense you pull out of your ass.

    I appreciate that you believe that any action taken by police in order to stop and reduce crime is by its nature illegal since you seem to believe that criminals should be able to operate freely and without deterrence. The vast majority of the people of NYC respectfully disagree and are quite happy with the great reduction in crime NYC has experienced since Mayor Gulianni first instituted the program on a broad basis.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If one is to grant that a funeral is not the place for political statements, perhaps no politician who isn't an intimate friend of a police officer's family should ask to speak at such funerals. One has to wonder what special relationship Vice-President Biden had with this officer? What was Mayor De Blasio's non-political special relationship with this officer?

    Nothing a politician does is seen other than as political in some form or another - period.
    In general, I agree with your comment. But sometimes events happen that transcend the local community, and a higher level politician attending/speaking is appropriate. They still represent the locals as well as people in other areas, after all.

    An extreme example would be funerals of first responders after 9/11. The President wouldn't be able to make them all, of course, that wouldn't be realistic or practical, but I would expect him to be at something.

    Does this event qualify for someone as high as the VP to attend? I think so. While local, it is also national in concern and part of our national consciousness right now.

    Is there a way to completely eliminate an appearance of photo-opportunism? Probably not. For good or for bad, that's the cynical world we live in.

    Having said that, if they do attend, they should keep their comments to praising the fallen and attempting to comfort the families. (As much as possible)
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    All of which is constitutionally legal, as sanctioned by the Supreme Court - the documentation of the action a police officer takes each and every time a citizen is stopped, questioned, and frisked, also being sanctioned by legislation and the Supreme Court.

    As for "go out and arrest some black people", cite your reference to black people being arrested in NYC illegally and without cause. Otherwise, it's just more nonsense you pull out of your ass.

    I appreciate that you believe that any action taken by police in order to stop and reduce crime is by its nature illegal since you seem to believe that criminals should be able to operate freely and without deterrence. The vast majority of the people of NYC respectfully disagree and are quite happy with the great reduction in crime NYC has experienced since Mayor Gulianni first instituted the program on a broad basis.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/18/op...bers.html?_r=0

    The result of this “performance culture”: needless summonses for minor violations (putting one’s feet on subway seats, playing chess in a park, failing to wear seat belts) and other quota-driven activity. This does not make for efficient policing.
    Yes. These are the threats that the NYPD is protecting us from. And again...specifically going to "high crime areas"=specifically going to areas with a lot of minorities and then issuing infractions for minor violations. Or are you suggesting Whites don't...put their feet up on subway seats, play chess in a apark, or fail to wear seat belts? Now you see first hand why areas with a lot of minorities have a lot of "crime". It's because of petty bull****.
    NYPD faces criticism over stop-and-frisk
    Kelly and Mayor Michael Bloomberg have staunchly defended the ever-expanding program, saying it is partly responsible over the last decade for halving a murder rate that once made New York one of the most dangerous cities in the developed world.
    Wow, stopping people from playing chess is lowering the murder rate in NEW YORK!!!! Or it could be because crime across the entire nation has been going down nationwide. But hey, those cops gotta meet quotas right?

    The blind support of deliberately racist policies by conservatives is no surprise to me. What is surprising is the blind support of quotas for the number citations cops have to issue. Actually, never mind. As long as the citations are issued to non-whites it's not surprising conservatives are all for it.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    In general, I agree with your comment. But sometimes events happen that transcend the local community, and a higher level politician attending/speaking is appropriate. They still represent the locals as well as people in other areas, after all.

    An extreme example would be funerals of first responders after 9/11. The President wouldn't be able to make them all, of course, that wouldn't be realistic or practical, but I would expect him to be at something.

    Does this event qualify for someone as high as the VP to attend? I think so. While local, it is also national in concern and part of our national consciousness right now.

    Is there a way to completely eliminate an appearance of photo-opportunism? Probably not. For good or for bad, that's the cynical world we live in.

    Having said that, if they do attend, they should keep their comments to praising the fallen and attempting to comfort the families. (As much as possible)
    How many law enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty in the United States in 2014 so far? 125

    National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund: Preliminary 2014 Fatality Statistics

    How many of the funerals for these law enforcement officers did Vice-President Biden attend? 1

    If it wasn't political, why did Biden attend? Is he related or intimate friends with the Ramos family?

    Vice-President Biden attended because the Obama administration from the President on down has made police interaction with black criminals a political issue in 2014 and their actions can be argued to be a contributing factor in the deaths of the last two officers in NYC. It's a CYA move, plain and simple. Biden has no shame and Obama wouldn't show his sorry face at the funeral for fear of an assassination attempt. And the number one law enforcement/justice representative in the country, Eric Holder, is too busy ginning up some civil rights charges against police officers in Ferguson and NYC and too busy to show up.

    The entire funeral was tainted with politics but it's time to move on and hope that saner heads can prevail in NYC and get back to making the city a safer and more livable place as the police and authorities have been doing for the past two decades.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/18/op...bers.html?_r=0


    Yes. These are the threats that the NYPD is protecting us from. And again...specifically going to "high crime areas"=specifically going to areas with a lot of minorities and then issuing infractions for minor violations. Or are you suggesting Whites don't...put their feet up on subway seats, play chess in a apark, or fail to wear seat belts? Now you see first hand why areas with a lot of minorities have a lot of "crime". It's because of petty bull****.
    NYPD faces criticism over stop-and-frisk

    Wow, stopping people from playing chess is lowering the murder rate in NEW YORK!!!! Or it could be because crime across the entire nation has been going down nationwide. But hey, those cops gotta meet quotas right?

    The blind support of deliberately racist policies by conservatives is no surprise to me. What is surprising is the blind support of quotas for the number citations cops have to issue. Actually, never mind. As long as the citations are issued to non-whites it's not surprising conservatives are all for it.
    I'm more inclined to listen to the people of NYC and their support for law enforcement and crime reduction in their own city than listen to someone claiming to be from "Out West" and fantasizing about racist police around every corner.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm more inclined to listen to the people of NYC and their support for law enforcement and crime reduction in their own city than listen to someone claiming to be from "Out West" and fantasizing about racist police around every corner.
    "Fantasizing about racist police around every corner". You've blown your credibility to hell and back.

    You remain conspicuously silent on documented evidence of police deliberately targeting minorities and you've dodged documented evidence that the NYPD made up bull**** in areas of the city dominated by minorities in order to meet quotas. All just to make up a strawman to burn down. Yes, remaining silent on the issue of injustice is what cowards do best. Remain silent then, it's probably best to keep your ideas that enable racism to yourself.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    "Fantasizing about racist police around every corner". You've blown your credibility to hell and back.

    You remain conspicuously silent on documented evidence of police deliberately targeting minorities and you've dodged documented evidence that the NYPD made up bull**** in areas of the city dominated by minorities in order to meet quotas. All just to make up a strawman to burn down. Yes, remaining silent on the issue of injustice is what cowards do best. Remain silent then, it's probably best to keep your ideas that enable racism to yourself.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    How many law enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty in the United States in 2014 so far? 125

    National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund: Preliminary 2014 Fatality Statistics

    How many of the funerals for these law enforcement officers did Vice-President Biden attend? 1

    If it wasn't political, why did Biden attend? Is he related or intimate friends with the Ramos family?

    Vice-President Biden attended because the Obama administration from the President on down has made police interaction with black criminals a political issue in 2014 and their actions can be argued to be a contributing factor in the deaths of the last two officers in NYC. It's a CYA move, plain and simple. Biden has no shame and Obama wouldn't show his sorry face at the funeral for fear of an assassination attempt. And the number one law enforcement/justice representative in the country, Eric Holder, is too busy ginning up some civil rights charges against police officers in Ferguson and NYC and too busy to show up.

    The entire funeral was tainted with politics but it's time to move on and hope that saner heads can prevail in NYC and get back to making the city a safer and more livable place as the police and authorities have been doing for the past two decades.
    That's it? That's your beef? You have a hard on because the VP attended?



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