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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    He shouldnt. he should continue to foment outrage and distrust between his office and law enforcement. That will be extraordinarily helpful.
    Speaking of fomenting outrage and distrust, why are you avoiding the issue of the NYPD deliberately targeting minorities with the Stop & Frisk program? Would you trust a police department that routinely engages in behavior that's been ruled to unconstitutional and is dominated by petulant children?
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Speaking of fomenting outrage and distrust, why are you avoiding the issue of the NYPD deliberately targeting minorities with the Stop & Frisk program? Would you trust a police department that routinely engages in behavior that's been ruled to unconstitutional and is dominated by petulant children?
    I dont run from or defend the stop and frisk policy. You want to debate the merits of stop and frisk, be my guest. It is just one of the areas of grievance NYPD has with de Blasio. If you think its wise that the mayor of ANY city creates hatred and distrust with his law enforcement agency, pray you never run for office.

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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Does the mayor typically speak at funerals of fallen police officers? And does anyone know of his comments? Biden also spoke at the funeral...does the Vice President often speak at police funerals? Talk about making a funeral 'political'. Doe sit bother those that are upset with the cops turning their backs (people directly impacted by all of this) that politics is the rule of the day at this funeral? And during Bidens comments anyone care to hazard a guess at the over and under on how many times he made personal comments or comments about Obama's time in New York?

    de Blasio has some mending to do. That should be obvious to anyone...even him. If he does nothing and continues to think he is blameless then he will continue to have problems.
    de Blasio does have some mending to do, absolutely. And no doubt some aspects were political, especially Biden's appearance. But there's a time and a place for everything, and the officers would have served their cause and themselves better if they had taken the high road and not used a funeral as a platform. They have some mending to do themselves... with the public. This just made them look like petulant little kids.

    Someone made the comment about the whole row between the Mayor and the police department as having turned childish, and this just continued that. "You made it political by showing up when we said not to, so we're going to turn our back when you speak, so nyahh!"... is just piling on more immature behavior.

    As far as the question about the Mayor attending officer funerals, I do not know the answer, but my guess is that yes, they generally do. For officers killed in the line of duty and their own cities.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont run from or defend the stop and frisk policy. You want to debate the merits of stop and frisk, be my guest. It is just one of the areas of grievance NYPD has with de Blasio. If you think its wise that the mayor of ANY city creates hatred and distrust with his law enforcement agency, pray you never run for office.
    If that law enforcement agency is deserving of hatred and distrust then that's what they've earned. And yes the NYPD have earned the people's enmity. It's not there for no reason and it's not there because of one random event. The NYPD have eroded community relations for years and now they're having a tantrum because someone called them out on their unprofessional conduct.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    If that law enforcement agency is deserving of hatred and distrust then that's what they've earned. And yes the NYPD have earned the people's enmity. It's not there for no reason and it's not there because of one random event. The NYPD have eroded community relations for years and now they're having a tantrum because someone called them out on their unprofessional conduct.
    There ya go. Its not like the bulk of the NYPD isnt doing extraordinary things for the community or like there arent actual scumbags out there causing that police response.

    Cling to your rhetoric...and stay out of public office.

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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    I voted yes. And I'd vote "yes" to any poll asking should the mayor resign or have backs turned to his demagogic arse.


    Now let's talk about some real hackery:
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    New York's time has come. Like Constantinople or Rome before it the city has become a breeding ground for suffering and injustice. It is beyond saving and must be allowed to die. The NYPD... must be destroyed and rebuilt from the ground up. The citizens have fought the decadence and corruption of the NYPD for years with all their strength, all their resources, all their moral authority and the only victory they achieved was union thugs thumbing their nose at the mayor. Now people understand the NYPD is beyond saving and must be allowed to die and be reborn anew.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There ya go. Its not like the bulk of the NYPD isnt doing extraordinary things for the community or like there arent actual scumbags out there causing that police response.

    Cling to your rhetoric...and stay out of public office.
    The NYPD has definitely done some extra-ordinary things.

    1) They took a funeral and made it about their own selfishness. That takes exra-ordinary selfishness.

    2) They enacted a policy that specifically targeted Blacks and Latinos ala (S&F) and then have the gumption to complain when people are cool with deliberate racist policies. That takes extra-ordinary hubris.

    3) They have video evidence that one of their officers engaged in a choke-hold, something explicitly against policy and which contributed to the death of a citizen, but didn't have the integrity to discipline the individual. That takes an extra-ordinary lack of discipline and commitment to justify that.

    Yes, the NYPD has done many extra-ordinary things. I acknowledge that. Vancemark can't name anything that the NYPD has done that's extra-ordinary. It's just a phrase he throws up without backing it up.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by Horace View Post
    I voted yes. And I'd vote "yes" to any poll asking should the mayor resign or have backs turned to his demagogic arse.


    Now let's talk about some real hackery:


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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    This was supposed to be a funeral, not a place to make a political statement, IMO, another low for the already low NYPD. No respect for the dead or living. Just for themselves. How egotistical.
    If one is to grant that a funeral is not the place for political statements, perhaps no politician who isn't an intimate friend of a police officer's family should ask to speak at such funerals. One has to wonder what special relationship Vice-President Biden had with this officer? What was Mayor De Blasio's non-political special relationship with this officer?

    Nothing a politician does is seen other than as political in some form or another - period.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Why is it that de Blasio has mending to do? Isn't it the NYPD who engaged in Stop & Frisk, and act that was ruled illegal in the courts? If the NYPD would stop engaging in the deliberate targeting of minorities and making up excuses to "stop & frisk" them for no reason then that would probably go a long way.
    Do you actually know who gave the orders to initiate Stop and Frisk?

    Are you aware that Stop and Frisk, in its current form is constitutional as approved by the US Supreme Court?

    Are you aware that provisions for Stop and Frisk are found in New York State legislation?

    Are you aware that Mayor Rudy Gulianni approved the order in the early 1990's as part of a move to fight outrageous levels of crime in NYC?

    Your idiotic comment makes it sound like a bunch of low level NYC police officers decided this was a good way to tick off blacks. Your post is pathetic.
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