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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I agree that contractually the mayor probably can't fire them - though frankly making an example of at least some of them is called for. There is no room for disrespect for authority in an organization of people that wield the power that the NYPD does.

    I'm not sure what he can do about it but backing down at this point would be a huge mistake.
    Mayor di Blasio had already lost the respect of much of the PD before the Garner case. Following the Garner case and di Blasio's decision to make matters worse between he and the PD? Now much of the PD and the public would like to see di Blasio resign, but nobody resigns in disgrace anymore. Well except the CEO of Mozilla. In any case, the problem di Blasio has created for himself is that the PD and much of the public? Feel there is no room for the kind of disrespect towards the NYPD that the mayor has shown repeatedly. Given the fact that di Blasio can't even see his way to apologizing or accepting responsibility for the statements and stances he made that that led him to where he is today? That magnifies that huge mistakes have already been made by di Blasio and there is very little he can do now to repair the damage. He can't "back down" from a principled stance he never struck in the first place. Attempting to "make an example" of some of those whom have exercised their right to free speech can only worsen the situation di Blasio created for himself. As I said before, doing as you suggest can only further wreak di Blasio's political career, which looks to me not to be salvageable. Di Blasio is already several "huge mistakes" down the road to his own demise. Di Blasio has painted himself into a corner, doing as you suggest will simply draw it closer around him. Sort of like a noose works IMO.

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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by Horace View Post
    Mayor di Blasio had already lost the respect of much of the PD before the Garner case. Following the Garner case and di Blasio's decision to make matters worse between he and the PD? Now much of the PD and the public would like to see di Blasio resign, but nobody resigns in disgrace anymore. Well except the CEO of Mozilla. In any case, the problem di Blasio has created for himself is that the PD and much of the public? Feel there is no room for the kind of disrespect towards the NYPD that the mayor has shown repeatedly. Given the fact that di Blasio can't even see his way to apologizing or accepting responsibility for the statements and stances he made that that led him to where he is today? That magnifies that huge mistakes have already been made by di Blasio and there is very little he can do now to repair the damage. He can't "back down" from a principled stance he never struck in the first place. Attempting to "make an example" of some of those whom have exercised their right to free speech can only worsen the situation di Blasio created for himself. As I said before, doing as you suggest can only further wreak di Blasio's political career, which looks to me not to be salvageable. Di Blasio is already several "huge mistakes" down the road to his own demise. Di Blasio has painted himself into a corner, doing as you suggest will simply draw it closer around him. Sort of like a noose works IMO.

    Officers in uniform do not have free speech rights. They are not free to publicly criticize their superiors. Similar to the military that undermines the command structure. And again the issue here is who runs the city? The elected representatives of the people or the NYPD? I really don't care about di Blasio's political career, though since reforming the NYPD was a big part of his campaign I'm not sure that he'd be committing political suicide by standing up the police department. I do care that the NYPD seems to be unmanageable. I do care that the officers on the street seem to obey their union boss more than the chain of command.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Officers in uniform do not have free speech rights. They are not free to publicly criticize their superiors. Similar to the military that undermines the command structure. And again the issue here is who runs the city? The elected representatives of the people or the NYPD? I really don't care about di Blasio's political career, though since reforming the NYPD was a big part of his campaign I'm not sure that he'd be committing political suicide by standing up the police department. I do care that the NYPD seems to be unmanageable. I do care that the officers on the street seem to obey their union boss more than the chain of command.
    Not to be harsh here, but I don't care what you do or do not care about mate. This is debate politics, not what your cares are or are not. Just saying. You do not appear to care about the disrespect that di Blasio has shown publicly and repeatedly towards the NYPD. If it is because you view all of that and what he choose to say and do was all about reform? Then IMO you are missing the forest for the care bear dotted trees. Even just running on the platform that "reform" of NYPD was needed was controversial. NYPD does not write the "stop and frisk laws" that di Blasio sought to end. So his chickens have come home to roost, so to say. Di Blasio is political toast now, IMO the damage is irreparable. But I suppose he could try out your suggestions and see how that plays out in the public and with the already alienated NYPD.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Obviously he wasn't welcome. Wasn't he specifically requested to stay away from police officers funerals? Shouldn't he have respected that?

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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by Horace View Post
    Not to be harsh here, but I don't care what you do or do not care about mate. You do not appear to care about the disrespect that di Blasio has shown publicly and repeatedly towards the NYPD. So you are missing the forest for the care bear dotted trees. OK, your choice.

    Di Blasio is political toast now, IMO the damage is irreparable. But I suppose he could try out your suggestions and see how that plays out in the public and with the already alienated NYPD.

    The NYPD is SUBSERVIENT to the mayor. They aren't acting that way. That is far more important that some hurt feelings on the part of well paid civil servants.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The NYPD is SUBSERVIENT to the mayor. They aren't acting that way. That is far more important that some disrespect that the mayor may or may not have shown them.
    Sorry guy, I don't think anybody but you "cares" about your tangential point. But like I said, di Blasio could always throw common sense and his own political survivability to the wind and try to go after these officers. What could possibly go wrong? LOL

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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by Horace View Post
    Sorry guy, I don't think anybody but you "cares" about your tangential point. But like I said, di Blasio could always throw common sense and his own political survivability to the wind and try to go after these officers. What could possibly go wrong? LOL
    I suppose you're not a New York resident are you? Because if you were you'd know that my feelings aren't unique. (for the record I'm no longer a NYC resident but still work there).
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I suppose you're not a New York resident are you? Because if you were you'd know that my feelings aren't unique. (for the record I'm no longer a NYC resident but still work there).
    Again, the forum is called debate politics. So debating your feelings is not why I'm here, nor anyone else for that matter. You want what you do and do not "care" about to the subject, problem is that subject holds no interest for me. Or anyone else I'd bet, but who knows maybe someone will come along to indulge your emotional argument. I'm through though. Have a good one.

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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by Horace View Post
    Again, the forum is called debate politics. So debating your feelings is not why I'm here, nor anyone else for that matter. You want what you do and do not "care" about to the subject, problem is that subject holds no interest for me. Or anyone else I'd bet, but who knows maybe someone will come along to indulge your emotional argument. I'm through though. Have a good one.
    My argument is not emotional. "Feelings" can be replaced with "point of view" and the purpose of my post was simply to counter your contention that my point was "tangential" - it isn't - and somehow unique to me - again it isn't. The most important point here is who exerts command and control over the NYPD. The elected leaders of the city, the union or no one.
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    Re: Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    My argument is not emotional. "Feelings" can be replaced with "point of view" and the purpose of my post was simply to counter your contention that my point was "tangential" - it isn't - and somehow unique to me - again it isn't. The most important point here is who exerts command and control over the NYPD. The elected leaders of the city, the union or no one.
    Actually the point here seems to have escaped you as you shared about what you do or do not care about and what your feelings are. Which is OK, except that you missed the point. While di Blasio does indeed serve as mayor and have official power over the NYPD? He no longer commands the majority of the NYPD's respect. You have been arguing that he should go after and fire officers and that you don't think that doing so would be making an already bad situation worse. So like I said, di Blasio could follow your ideas and throw common sense and his own political survivability to the wind to try and go after these officers. The majority of the NYPD, that is. LOL. What could possibly go wrong?

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