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    Re: Has the superpower status made the US too arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Arrogance is not imposing your values on others, that would be Tyranny, which is more of our internal politics, not external. Externally, we are arrogant, but not TOO arrogant. We ARE better than everywhere else, politically. And so a bit of arrogance is expected. We are also extremely tolerant and giving.
    Tyranny is a manifestation of arrogance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    USA capitalism has developed the economies of many Nations by secondary and tertiary interaction.
    I do ont think the USA has attempted to spread freedom and democracy, more like oppression and
    resource rape. If it has secondary benefits to the population we are interacting with, it is only because
    it is profitting our Vulture Corporations. Along comes the CIA, chartered to help USA Corporations
    overseas, and does precisely that and becomes a type of partner with the Corporate groups it is always
    assisting. Mission creep and now the CIA is in bed with USSA MultiNational Corporate elites, has huge
    black budgets from the US Treasury Exchange Stabilization Fund, access to NSA snoop data on all the
    World's banks as a result of deploying PROMIS software with a back door in every major financial
    Institution, has enough budget to manipulate currencies and destroy small Nations, operates its' own
    Military warriors, operates the Drone program, insinuates its' agents in major financial (banks, hedge
    funds) and MSM corporates and all while the citizens think the CIA is collecting and analyzing data.
    Full Sprecrum Dominance means just what it says and means more than military dominance. Think
    financial dominance (IMF, World Bank, WTO, NATO, Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, etc.) worldwide
    as a weapon and watch Ukraine and Russia. The citizens don't get to vote on or OK any of these
    programs that benefit the MultiNational Elite CORPORATIONS. This is an attempt at World domination
    using Central Banks and Investment Banks. It's really working for the 1% of the 1%, don't ya' know.

    It it doesn't work, the USA economy collapses. That's simple economics.
    You're only looking at fairly recent history. The US has been a country since 1776. Dig a little deeper, and try a little harder.

    Yes, we are capitalist, and yes, we have interests in the resources of other countries. Yes, sometimes (maybe even a LOT of times) the desire for those resources trumps everything else. Especially oil. I condone none of that, as a citizen. But do you know who DOES condone it? A LOT of the rest of the world, even some of those countries we're "raping". Even taking what you have said at face value, and assuming it's true, it's still very much a net gain. Capitalism, and variations of it, is responsible for the greatest increase in quality of life, technological innovation, and PEACE since the Roman Empire. And no other country has done more to facilitate the spread of capitalism, or some variation of it, than the US. Of course, our mark on this world can be traced back much, MUCH further. To out very founding. The US has historically been a beacon to the oppressed. A chance at freedom for those who would never have experienced it otherwise. Do you think the Irish, Italian, Chinese, etc, all came here because they so loved their home country? Yeah, they came here and endured near slave labor to build this country. And yet...they stayed, and yet, more came, and yet, we remained a beacon. Imagine a world WITHOUT the hope of a better place, and a better life, and a better way?

    And then, of course, there is the atomic bomb. No atomic bomb, no end to great wars. We single handedly insured peace for generations. You could claim that we simply insured the destruction of our race should the peace not last...and that takes a very negative view towards human beings in general. I tend to be a bit less negative. No, the peace will last, and it will do so because no one wants their species to end.

    These are but a few of our contributions.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Has the superpower status made the US too arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    What you are saying is in essence is that a strong young man cannot control his mind with his intelligence and I am sorry, but again, I disagree with you in the strongest terms. There are three classes of intelligent people. The first class person of intelligence merely hears what is truely right, immediately knows it is right, and does what is right. The second class person hears what is right, but has to see others make mistakes to understand that it is right, and after having seen others make mistakes, he himself does what is right. The third class person with intelligence hears what is truely right, sees others make mistakes, and he himself has to make the mistakes, to learn and do what is right. Now all three of them are intelligent, but of the three, the first class man is the best. Now there is another class. This class of men hears what is truely right, sees others make mistakes, he makes the same mistakes, but yet he continues to do what IS NOT right. That is a fool. The problem with arrogance is that if it is not abandoned, over time it will make one a fool. So what you described is a man of intelligence, and that is indeed to be commended, but it is not the truely exceptional, first class case. To be truely exceptional, individuals and nations, must abandon arrogance.
    Your entire post relies on an OPINION that there is such a thing as a universal right and wrong. "Knowing" this thing does NOT denote intelligence, but cultural norms. Based on how one is raised, the retarded kid can know right from wrong. And the genius working on some new bio weapon has no such idea of right or wrong. In short, intelligence =/= morality.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Has the superpower status made the US too arrogant?

    No. It has not made us arrogant. The world and all that has transpired over the last several decades has made us appropriately wary. We as a people must simply ensure that this does not slip us into a national psychosis. I remember one high-ranking official once saying to me in my younger years, "Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get you."

    I have lived and worked in a lot of places, and I wouldn't trust any other nation with the power that the United States currently holds. With the exception of many policy decisions that I believed could have been handled in other ways, overall, we have done one heck of a job helping to make the world a much better place, despite our flaws.

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    Re: Has the superpower status made the US too arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Your entire post relies on an OPINION that there is such a thing as a universal right and wrong. "Knowing" this thing does NOT denote intelligence, but cultural norms. Based on how one is raised, the retarded kid can know right from wrong. And the genius working on some new bio weapon has no such idea of right or wrong. In short, intelligence =/= morality.
    If you say there is not a universal right and wrong, absolute truth if you will, that is also an opinion.

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    Re: Has the superpower status made the US too arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    If you say there is not a universal right and wrong, absolute truth if you will, that is also an opinion.
    Correct, meaning my response to your post is exactly as valid as your post. And even still, regardless of who is right, one thing CAN be considered fairly true...intelligence =/= morality.


    When debating, especially when debating about things like politics, economics, or just political correctness, I try to focus on things that are observable, and quantifiable. Faith makes for bad policy making.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Has the superpower status made the US too arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Correct, meaning my response to your post is exactly as valid as your post. And even still, regardless of who is right, one thing CAN be considered fairly true...intelligence =/= morality.
    I don't agree with your point concerning intelligence and morality, but that is because we have two different definitions of morality. That being the case that we will not agree on a definition of morality, what you said cannot be considered to be fairly true.

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    When debating, especially when debating about things like politics, economics, or just political correctness, I try to focus on things that are observable, and quantifiable. Faith makes for bad policy making.
    It is impossible to make an observation without having some element of faith, because you have to assume that you exist to make an observation, and existentiality is something that cannot be proved. It must be accepted with faith.

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    Re: Has the superpower status made the US too arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think you do know what I meant.
    No. I do not at all.

    I'm surprised you haven't moved to a more Utopian country like Canada or Norway.
    They arent utopian. Also why would I want to move?


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    Re: Has the superpower status made the US too arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    As an individual, I agree.


    However, some things to note: I am a middle aged man. Experience has taught me that I am mortal, and that no man is invincible, and that even the greatest of warriors is only "the greatest" for a limited period of time.


    A young man has not experienced these things yet. You can tell him... perhaps he will even acknowledge the intellectual truth of it... but the courage of his young heart trusts in the might and skill of his limbs, and in his gut he will not truly believe he can fall like any other man... until it happens.

    I know this, because I was a young warrior once.



    A nation in the midst of its strength is like a young man. Wisdom can whisper "you are mortal" in its ear, but it's heart hears only the thunderous glory of its own jets and tanks and guns.
    So you conflate individual 'brain states' with the actions of a nation, very strange. In addition, you model it on the 'young buck' mentality, just one model, not always desirable, to say the least.

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    Re: Has the superpower status made the US too arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    You're only looking at fairly recent history. The US has been a country since 1776. Dig a little deeper, and try a little harder.

    Yes, we are capitalist, and yes, we have interests in the resources of other countries. Yes, sometimes (maybe even a LOT of times) the desire for those resources trumps everything else. Especially oil. I condone none of that, as a citizen. But do you know who DOES condone it? A LOT of the rest of the world, even some of those countries we're "raping". Even taking what you have said at face value, and assuming it's true, it's still very much a net gain. Capitalism, and variations of it, is responsible for the greatest increase in quality of life, technological innovation, and PEACE since the Roman Empire. And no other country has done more to facilitate the spread of capitalism, or some variation of it, than the US. Of course, our mark on this world can be traced back much, MUCH further. To out very founding. The US has historically been a beacon to the oppressed. A chance at freedom for those who would never have experienced it otherwise. Do you think the Irish, Italian, Chinese, etc, all came here because they so loved their home country? Yeah, they came here and endured near slave labor to build this country. And yet...they stayed, and yet, more came, and yet, we remained a beacon. Imagine a world WITHOUT the hope of a better place, and a better life, and a better way?

    And then, of course, there is the atomic bomb. No atomic bomb, no end to great wars. We single handedly insured peace for generations. You could claim that we simply insured the destruction of our race should the peace not last...and that takes a very negative view towards human beings in general. I tend to be a bit less negative. No, the peace will last, and it will do so because no one wants their species to end.

    These are but a few of our contributions.
    You are correct, I am more focused on recent history because what I see
    is that the USA has been in a Corporate vs. Labor war for over a hundred
    years and Corporate has won. I no longer see Capitalism, but Corporatism.
    That is very close to Fascism. USA citizens are usually truly nice people,
    and the current gov't objectives don't seem to represent nice people. The
    objectives have become representative of very wealthy connected businesses
    and individuals.

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