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Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?


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Recently two NYPD Officers were killed by a crazy person. Based on how conservatives are blaming Al Sharpton and Mayor de Blasio but not the actual killer I'm gonna have to say yes.
 
Like comparing eggs and rice krispies .... ain't the same.

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Loaded bait question at best. Since you cannot even get liberals and conservatives to agree on what "personal responsibility" is, there is zero expectation you can get them to agree on how to apply the concept.
 
Both parties (or factions within) will use the phrase when it suits them, and both sides will jump at the opportunity to assign blame to adversaries when politically expedient. The Giffords shooting and this most recent event being stellar examples.
 
Recently two NYPD Officers were killed by a crazy person. Based on how conservatives are blaming Al Sharpton and Mayor de Blasio but not the actual killer I'm gonna have to say yes.
No one is claiming Sharpton et al, pulled the trigger. But calls that he and others take personal responsibility for their inflammatory statements, is the definition of personal responsibility.
 
No one is claiming Sharpton et al, pulled the trigger. But calls that he and others take personal responsibility for their inflammatory statements, is the definition of personal responsibility.
Those that claim that he has "Blood on his hands" are doing a bit more than that.
 
It is interesting that when the Ferguson protests broke out, we were often told that it's about something greater than just that one shooting even if that shooting was justified and therefor we must look at the broader picture, yet when those two officers were killed, we're supposed to view it in a vacuum and without a single bit of context.
 
Recently two NYPD Officers were killed by a crazy person. Based on how conservatives are blaming Al Sharpton and Mayor de Blasio but not the actual killer I'm gonna have to say yes.

If you could point to one conservative, one post here on DP, where it was claimed that the actual killer wasn't responsible for his actions, you might have a point of conversation. As it stands, your straw man trolling is just tripe.
 
Those that claim that he has "Blood on his hands" are doing a bit more than that.
I agree. That's a bit over the top. But there has certainly been some over the top rhetoric aimed at police that should have been dialed way back.
 
It is interesting that when the Ferguson protests broke out, we were often told that it's about something greater than just that one shooting even if that shooting was justified and therefor we must look at the broader picture, yet when those two officers were killed, we're supposed to view it in a vacuum and without a single bit of context.
Excellent point.
 
No one is claiming Sharpton et al, pulled the trigger. But calls that he and others take personal responsibility for their inflammatory statements, is the definition of personal responsibility.

Yes, but oddly enough the same bunch arguing that Sharpton should take responsibility for inflammatory statements (which he should), don't argue that hate mongers on right wing talk radio should take responsibility for inflammatory statements when they could inspire some nut job to commit violence as well.
 
Recently two NYPD Officers were killed by a crazy person. Based on how conservatives are blaming Al Sharpton and Mayor de Blasio but not the actual killer I'm gonna have to say yes.

With all due respect, comment from people like Sharpton, de Blasio, Holder and Obama encourage the idea that black youth are not personally responsible for the behaviors which lead to incidents like Garner and Brown. They instead put that blame on the police. Maybe if they encouraged a little personal responsibility in the lives of the people they're talking to we'd see less crap like this.
 
Yes, but oddly enough the same bunch arguing that Sharpton should take responsibility for inflammatory statements (which he should), don't argue that hate mongers on right wing talk radio should take responsibility for inflammatory statements when they could inspire some nut job to commit violence as well.
Then you will have to take issue when that happens and point out the hypocrisy, not reject that in this case they are correct.
 
Recently two NYPD Officers were killed by a crazy person. Based on how conservatives are blaming Al Sharpton and Mayor de Blasio but not the actual killer I'm gonna have to say yes.

The hypocrisy of the left is truly astonishing sometimes. Okay, all the time.
 
With all due respect, comment from people like Sharpton, de Blasio, Holder and Obama encourage the idea that black youth are not personally responsible for the behaviors which lead to incidents like Garner and Brown. They instead put that blame on the police. Maybe if they encouraged a little personal responsibility in the lives of the people they're talking to we'd see less crap like this.

Please provide a quote from Obama demonstrating that he doesn't believe black youth are personally responsible for their behaviors. In fact, its been the exact opposite. Obama and the first lade have given numerous speeches over the years arguing for personal responsibility in the African American community.

How the Obama Administration Talks to Black America - The Atlantic
 
Then you will have to take issue when that happens and point out the hypocrisy, not reject that in this case they are correct.

I don't like race hustlers like Sharpton, so you won't find me defending him on here.
 
Please provide a quote from Obama demonstrating that he doesn't believe black youth are personally responsible for their behaviors. In fact, its been the exact opposite. Obama and the first lade have given numerous speeches over the years arguing for personal responsibility in the African American community.

How the Obama Administration Talks to Black America - The Atlantic
He was referring, I believe to this particular instance. Obama, Holder, et al. did not call out Brown for his bad behavior, nor did they do so for Garner. They questioned police and their tactics. It seems that only the police are to be held accountable for their actions, and the bad behavior on the part of the two men is not brought up. You want to discuss personal responsibility, start with Garner and Brown. Then move on from there.
 
No one is claiming Sharpton et al, pulled the trigger. But calls that he and others take personal responsibility for their inflammatory statements, is the definition of personal responsibility.
Exactly, people like sharpton are putting gas on a fire.

The core issue here is the militarization of police, and when you give a person a "toy", they will inevitably find a time to pull it out.

You don't want a judge dredd scenario, where cops are also the executioners.

further, this issue commonly gets conflated as a racial issue... it is not. There is a component that different races tend to see different treatment from police, but abusive cops are abusive to anyone, regardless of race.

However, cops do have a tough job, and they do need to be able to defend themselves. So, perhaps, anytime there is a police involved shooting that there be open proceedings in order to fine tune that balance between defensive tactics while allowing them to do their job effectively.
 
He was referring, I believe to this particular instance. Obama, Holder, et al. did not call out Brown for his bad behavior, nor did they do so for Garner. They questioned police and their tactics. It seems that only the police are to be held accountable for their actions, and the bad behavior on the part of the two men is not brought up. You want to discuss personal responsibility, start with Garner and Brown. Then move on from there.

Brown is one thing, but in the case of Eric Garner just about everyone to the left of the Klan questioned the police tactics.
 
I also don't see you admonishing them for their inflammatory rhetoric.

When have I ever defended Sharpton on here? In the case of Michael Brown I blamed his family for being crappy parents and raising a criminal.
 
yes, same as liberals
 
Brown is one thing, but in the case of Eric Garner just about everyone to the left of the Klan questioned the police tactics.

I agree. I looks like excessive force was used to subdue a guy for what something that should not even be a crime. Its horrible that this man died. But it isn't a race issue and it still comes down to the behavior of Garner when confronted with an order to surrender to authority. Had he turned and allowed himself to be cuffed (like he apparently did 40 odd other times he had been arrested) there is no question the man would be alive today--and back out on the street committing petty offenses.
 
I also don't see you admonishing them for their inflammatory rhetoric.

Because unlike you he believes in personal responsibility.
 
Recently two NYPD Officers were killed by a crazy person. Based on how conservatives are blaming Al Sharpton and Mayor de Blasio but not the actual killer I'm gonna have to say yes.

I think more than any other factor, political ideology and where it applies in current events is governed by a "group-think" determinant. Although I think nearly everyone abhors the senseless killings of the NYPD officers, to answer you question, conservatives by and large as a group have taken sides on the issue and have expanded the bad guy classification to include the political foes who have been vocal in the discussion. The same would have been true is the tables were turned a la Congresswoman Gabby Giffords and the Sarah Palin rifle target map on congressional districts. Most people are not as committed to their principles as they'd want you to think. Most people are committed to their team.
 
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