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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's not accurate at all. Cons see no problem with welfare for the truly needy, or unemployment, or unions even where needed. Conservatives have a problem with promotion of welfare in a seemingly unlimited supply and quantity, see a problem with unions where they are used as political fund raising machines instead of actually protecting workers. The progressive view of using any organization to promote more dependency on hand outs is a problem - there is middle ground where reasonable people can agree on the use and administration of all types of welfare as long as there is a job at the end of the use and not simply more welfare bribes for democratic votes.
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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The man was choked to death by a police officer while being arrested for selling singles out of a pack of cigarettes. Mind you, that choke hold they are not even supposed to use. Yet you don't fault the police on that one?
    Did you read the autopsy report ?

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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The man was choked to death by a police officer while being arrested for selling singles out of a pack of cigarettes. Mind you, that choke hold they are not even supposed to use. Yet you don't fault the police on that one?
    1. The man was not choked to death. The coroner's report does not support your contention.

    2. The man resisted arrest. Considering his size in comparison to the officers, what would you have the officers do to enforce the arrest? How else would you incapacitate an individual of this size who will not give in to the arresting authority given to police officers?

    3. The man had been arrested several times before. If I'm not mistaken, he had over 20 charges - most minor - so he should have some understanding of how the law works. Is it not possible, perhaps likely, that Garner resisted arrest previously or at least was uncooperative and it was Garner who escalated the incident this time?

    4. If the officer is found to have used a procedure that was illegal or against police department rules, I expect him to be held to account by police conduct reviews and appropriately disciplined and perhaps removed from the force if that is deemed appropriate. I expect no less of the officer to submit to the legal process as I do Garner. The officer went through the grand jury process and now will be subject to the police department's protocol.

    The sooner everyone understands and appreciates that rights of individuals can and may often be overridden by the authority vested in law enforcement officers the sooner these types of incidents will cease. This nonsense about shouting "I have rights" and resisting arrest just gets some people an untimely death. Exert your rights where they can be honored and enforced - in a court of law.
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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    The premise of this thread is utterly laughable and pathetic. If you want to know what a lib is up to, pay attention to what he accuses others of.

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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Obama has advocated personal responsibility in the Black community. Perhaps you were so busy screaming to see his birth certificate to hear him mention it?
    Advocating for personal responsibility involves more than simply paying lip service to the issue. Here's Obama's speech on Ferguson - Remarks by the President After Announcement of the Decision by the Grand Jury in Ferguson, Missouri | The White House

    Basically, it says "we know that cops prey on black communities but please don't throw bottles". That's a long damned way from talking about personal responsibility.

    Here is Obama's speech about Trayvon Martin - Remarks by the President on Trayvon Martin | The White House

    The crux of this speech is that "yeah, statistics show that black kids get in more trouble but that's because the justice system is racist". Again, nothing about personal responsibility.

    Here's Obama's statement on the 2 cops that got assassinated - Statement by the President | The White House

    Not even 100 words and, again, no statement about personal responsibility.


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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    No, but then again you're thinking that the people in the Republican Party are conservatives and they're not. They're largely neo-cons, which are closer to liberals than to conservatives.
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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    1. The man was not choked to death. The coroner's report does not support your contention.

    2. The man resisted arrest. Considering his size in comparison to the officers, what would you have the officers do to enforce the arrest? How else would you incapacitate an individual of this size who will not give in to the arresting authority given to police officers?

    3. The man had been arrested several times before. If I'm not mistaken, he had over 20 charges - most minor - so he should have some understanding of how the law works. Is it not possible, perhaps likely, that Garner resisted arrest previously or at least was uncooperative and it was Garner who escalated the incident this time?

    4. If the officer is found to have used a procedure that was illegal or against police department rules, I expect him to be held to account by police conduct reviews and appropriately disciplined and perhaps removed from the force if that is deemed appropriate. I expect no less of the officer to submit to the legal process as I do Garner. The officer went through the grand jury process and now will be subject to the police department's protocol.

    The sooner everyone understands and appreciates that rights of individuals can and may often be overridden by the authority vested in law enforcement officers the sooner these types of incidents will cease. This nonsense about shouting "I have rights" and resisting arrest just gets some people an untimely death. Exert your rights where they can be honored and enforced - in a court of law.
    1- that's not so clear... had he not gone through that ordeal, he more than likely would have been alive.

    2- cops often say that when beating on someone, or put a person in a hold where they cannot possibly be cuffed, and then use that inability to move to claim that the person is resisting.

    3- this one you have at least a bit of a point... If you've been arrested that many times you should have some familiarity with the routine. However, that does not change that anything short of dropping prone with your hands behind your back can be called resisting... and even then.

    4- he may not be criminally guilty of murder, however, civilly culpable is a different question.

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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    1- that's not so clear... had he not gone through that ordeal, he more than likely would have been alive.
    Had he not been breaking the law in the first place, he more than likely would have been alive. Personal responsibility anyone?

    2- cops often say that when beating on someone, or put a person in a hold where they cannot possibly be cuffed, and then use that inability to move to claim that the person is resisting.
    Nobody would have had to put the cuffs on him if he hadn't been breaking the law. Personal responsibility.

    3- this one you have at least a bit of a point... If you've been arrested that many times you should have some familiarity with the routine. However, that does not change that anything short of dropping prone with your hands behind your back can be called resisting... and even then.
    Whose fault is it that they've been arrested many times? Oh wait, he was a CRIMINAL!

    4- he may not be criminally guilty of murder, however, civilly culpable is a different question.
    That's just a liberal move to put people in double jeopardy. When you can't get it through the criminal courts, go for a civil trial where the burden of proof is much lower.
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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Loaded bait question at best. Since you cannot even get liberals and conservatives to agree on what "personal responsibility" is, there is zero expectation you can get them to agree on how to apply the concept.
    What is loaded about the question? Either you believe one's actions are his own responsibility or not.


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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    1. The man was not choked to death. The coroner's report does not support your contention.

    2. The man resisted arrest. Considering his size in comparison to the officers, what would you have the officers do to enforce the arrest? How else would you incapacitate an individual of this size who will not give in to the arresting authority given to police officers?

    3. The man had been arrested several times before. If I'm not mistaken, he had over 20 charges - most minor - so he should have some understanding of how the law works. Is it not possible, perhaps likely, that Garner resisted arrest previously or at least was uncooperative and it was Garner who escalated the incident this time?

    4. If the officer is found to have used a procedure that was illegal or against police department rules, I expect him to be held to account by police conduct reviews and appropriately disciplined and perhaps removed from the force if that is deemed appropriate. I expect no less of the officer to submit to the legal process as I do Garner. The officer went through the grand jury process and now will be subject to the police department's protocol.

    The sooner everyone understands and appreciates that rights of individuals can and may often be overridden by the authority vested in law enforcement officers the sooner these types of incidents will cease. This nonsense about shouting "I have rights" and resisting arrest just gets some people an untimely death. Exert your rights where they can be honored and enforced - in a court of law.
    Why do you want the case presented everywhere but a court of law?


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