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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    No one is claiming Sharpton et al, pulled the trigger. But calls that he and others take personal responsibility for their inflammatory statements, is the definition of personal responsibility.
    Yes, but oddly enough the same bunch arguing that Sharpton should take responsibility for inflammatory statements (which he should), don't argue that hate mongers on right wing talk radio should take responsibility for inflammatory statements when they could inspire some nut job to commit violence as well.
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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Recently two NYPD Officers were killed by a crazy person. Based on how conservatives are blaming Al Sharpton and Mayor de Blasio but not the actual killer I'm gonna have to say yes.
    With all due respect, comment from people like Sharpton, de Blasio, Holder and Obama encourage the idea that black youth are not personally responsible for the behaviors which lead to incidents like Garner and Brown. They instead put that blame on the police. Maybe if they encouraged a little personal responsibility in the lives of the people they're talking to we'd see less crap like this.

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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yes, but oddly enough the same bunch arguing that Sharpton should take responsibility for inflammatory statements (which he should), don't argue that hate mongers on right wing talk radio should take responsibility for inflammatory statements when they could inspire some nut job to commit violence as well.
    Then you will have to take issue when that happens and point out the hypocrisy, not reject that in this case they are correct.

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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Recently two NYPD Officers were killed by a crazy person. Based on how conservatives are blaming Al Sharpton and Mayor de Blasio but not the actual killer I'm gonna have to say yes.
    The hypocrisy of the left is truly astonishing sometimes. Okay, all the time.

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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    With all due respect, comment from people like Sharpton, de Blasio, Holder and Obama encourage the idea that black youth are not personally responsible for the behaviors which lead to incidents like Garner and Brown. They instead put that blame on the police. Maybe if they encouraged a little personal responsibility in the lives of the people they're talking to we'd see less crap like this.
    Please provide a quote from Obama demonstrating that he doesn't believe black youth are personally responsible for their behaviors. In fact, its been the exact opposite. Obama and the first lade have given numerous speeches over the years arguing for personal responsibility in the African American community.

    How the Obama Administration Talks to Black America - The Atlantic
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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Then you will have to take issue when that happens and point out the hypocrisy, not reject that in this case they are correct.
    I don't like race hustlers like Sharpton, so you won't find me defending him on here.
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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Please provide a quote from Obama demonstrating that he doesn't believe black youth are personally responsible for their behaviors. In fact, its been the exact opposite. Obama and the first lade have given numerous speeches over the years arguing for personal responsibility in the African American community.

    How the Obama Administration Talks to Black America - The Atlantic
    He was referring, I believe to this particular instance. Obama, Holder, et al. did not call out Brown for his bad behavior, nor did they do so for Garner. They questioned police and their tactics. It seems that only the police are to be held accountable for their actions, and the bad behavior on the part of the two men is not brought up. You want to discuss personal responsibility, start with Garner and Brown. Then move on from there.

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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I don't like race hustlers like Sharpton, so you won't find me defending him on here.
    I also don't see you admonishing them for their inflammatory rhetoric.

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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    No one is claiming Sharpton et al, pulled the trigger. But calls that he and others take personal responsibility for their inflammatory statements, is the definition of personal responsibility.
    Exactly, people like sharpton are putting gas on a fire.

    The core issue here is the militarization of police, and when you give a person a "toy", they will inevitably find a time to pull it out.

    You don't want a judge dredd scenario, where cops are also the executioners.

    further, this issue commonly gets conflated as a racial issue... it is not. There is a component that different races tend to see different treatment from police, but abusive cops are abusive to anyone, regardless of race.

    However, cops do have a tough job, and they do need to be able to defend themselves. So, perhaps, anytime there is a police involved shooting that there be open proceedings in order to fine tune that balance between defensive tactics while allowing them to do their job effectively.

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    Re: Do Conservatives Believe In Personal Responsibility Only When It Suits Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    He was referring, I believe to this particular instance. Obama, Holder, et al. did not call out Brown for his bad behavior, nor did they do so for Garner. They questioned police and their tactics. It seems that only the police are to be held accountable for their actions, and the bad behavior on the part of the two men is not brought up. You want to discuss personal responsibility, start with Garner and Brown. Then move on from there.
    Brown is one thing, but in the case of Eric Garner just about everyone to the left of the Klan questioned the police tactics.
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