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  • Total separation from all levels of government. All education privatized.

    26 3.86%
  • Total separation except for cities.

    35 5.19%
  • Total separation except for counties.

    47 6.97%
  • Total separation except for cities and counties.

    51 7.57%
  • Total separation except for states.

    68 10.09%
  • Separation except for states and cities

    48 7.12%
  • Separation except for states and counties

    55 8.16%
  • Separation from federal government only.

    49 7.27%
  • No separation

    216 32.05%
  • Other (specify)

    79 11.72%
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That a rather old and tired spiel. No one thinks they were all seeing. However, they did very kindly write in a way for the Constitution to change with the times. But it has to be the will of the majority that makes those changes. The majority never have wanted for the federal to control what they do now, never have wanted to grant them the power. We still don't.
    Indeed they did, but with the current state of the nation, such changes are utterly impossible to get through. A system which cannot function in practice is meaningless in principle. This is especially true for people who worship the Constitution, for whom the very idea of allowing it to ever change in any way is heresy. Is it any wonder this country is screwed up and operating the way it is?
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I don't support public education until they fix what is wrong with it. Ther public school system must be forced to compete with private and parochial schools for students. I am for a voucher system.
    i'm fine with letting private schools do what they want, but i'm not for diverting tax dollars to them. the right wing in my state is using that as a tool to destroy public schools.

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    State or federal education provided for free. If you want religious training or prayer or your favorite religious sayings posted on the wall enroll your children in a religious school.

    Post secondary education should also be state or federally funded for those who qualify. Entrance requirements for most universities should be raised and maintained. All funded post secondary institutions must be accredited by the National Association of Colleges and Schools.

    I see the value of online post secondary education. Generally I am not a fan, however.










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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Indeed they did, but with the current state of the nation, such changes are utterly impossible to get through. A system which cannot function in practice is meaningless in principle. This is especially true for people who worship the Constitution, for whom the very idea of allowing it to ever change in any way is heresy. Is it any wonder this country is screwed up and operating the way it is?
    Rubbish. Plain and simple. Especially on this matter where we've had a public school education in this country nearly since the very beginning. At any time in the last 200 years folks could have made education a federal grant. They haven't wanted that, they still don't want that, not in any kind of majority.

    What you want is your way imposed upon the majority against their will. And thus you have to go out on the limb where the Constitution becomes "just a piece of paper". Tyrants just love to hear that.
    Last edited by clownboy; 12-28-14 at 03:28 PM.

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'm fine with letting private schools do what they want, but i'm not for diverting tax dollars to them. the right wing in my state is using that as a tool to destroy public schools.
    You've got that wrong. Sort of backwards. No one is wanting to send their children to private schools to destroy the public schools. It's because the public schools have already been destroyed. And folks are paying those tax dollars right now to support an educational system that is not working for them. Why can't we spend that money we pay for the education of our children on, you know, the education of our children.

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    State or federal education provided for free. If you want religious training or prayer or your favorite religious sayings posted on the wall enroll your children in a religious school.

    Post secondary education should also be state or federally funded for those who qualify. Entrance requirements for most universities should be raised and maintained. All funded post secondary institutions must be accredited by the National Association of Colleges and Schools.

    I see the value of online post secondary education. Generally I am not a fan, however.
    NO, it is NOT for free. We pay for that. Do you think money just falls off the education tree?

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You've got that wrong. Sort of backwards. No one is wanting to send their children to private schools to destroy the public schools. It's because the public schools have already been destroyed. And folks are paying those tax dollars right now to support an educational system that is not working for them. Why can't we spend that money we pay for the education of our children on, you know, the education of our children.
    the Republicans in my state cut public education by hundreds of millions of dollars in the mid 2000s and diverted a lot of money to private schools. i don't support that.

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

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    I really want everyone to get a good education, not just Blue states(in general), so i think a federally based standard would be best--
    private schools are just that, private--no funding, no tax breaks
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the Republicans in my state cut public education by hundreds of millions of dollars in the mid 2000s and diverted a lot of money to private schools. i don't support that.
    Of course they did, they want everyone to go to religious schools that are not bound to separate church and state. All they are doing is trying to indoctrinate more kids into their mind cult.
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    I think it needs to be separated except that the government has to set the minimum standards of education and use approved school materials/methods and do spot checks to verify this.
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