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  • Total separation from all levels of government. All education privatized.

    26 3.86%
  • Total separation except for cities.

    35 5.19%
  • Total separation except for counties.

    47 6.97%
  • Total separation except for cities and counties.

    51 7.57%
  • Total separation except for states.

    68 10.09%
  • Separation except for states and cities

    48 7.12%
  • Separation except for states and counties

    55 8.16%
  • Separation from federal government only.

    49 7.27%
  • No separation

    216 32.05%
  • Other (specify)

    79 11.72%
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    The constitution does not grant congress the power to interfere with the education policy of any of the several states.
    Repeating that over and over doesn't make it any more true in practice, sorry.
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    no separation. i support public education, and my parents devoted their lives to it.

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Repeating that over and over doesn't make it any more true in practice, sorry.
    True "in practice"? The constitution either grants congress a power or it doesn't. The fact that congress exercises unauthorized powers is not a proof that the constitution contains a grant of those powers.

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Apparently they do because they are doing it right now. I don't want my state to have separate education policies, I want every kid to learn the same thing at the same time in every school in the nation so that kids moving from one state to another state can immediately be integrated into the schools and not be a year ahead or a year behind. I don't want my kids walking into a school and having them learning pseudoscientific nonsense because the local churches have undue influence over the schools. Public education is supposed to be a wholly secular process. That can only happen when there is a single overarching authority keeping everyone at the same spot and with the same curriculum.
    I would not have a problem with a federalized standard on what level of the basics, reading, writing, arithmetic, English, history, American government, etc should be mastered to award a diploma, however anything more is fascist. We do not need the public school system nationalized. It should be ran and controlled locally with common sense oversight at the state level.

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, a realist. In practice, it doesn't matter and you know it.
    And you claim you are slightly conservative???

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no separation. i support public education, and my parents devoted their lives to it.
    I don't support public education until they fix what is wrong with it. Ther public school system must be forced to compete with private and parochial schools for students. I am for a voucher system.

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Repeating that over and over doesn't make it any more true in practice, sorry.
    Actually repeating the "in practice" theme is your problem. It's like you are suggesting that not enforcing our laws is fine as long as it's "in practice".

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I see that the posters in this thread like the idea of living in a country full of uneducated people. If not a democratic government to ensure the quality and funding of education for all, then who?
    no its the proper roll for government that should be the issue.

    education is a state power not a federal power..the founders were clear they didn't want federal intervention in schools

    Sept 5 1787, at the constitutional convention, a proposal for federal government involve in schools was denied

    democratic "forms" of government are evil forms.

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    True "in practice"? The constitution either grants congress a power or it doesn't. The fact that congress exercises unauthorized powers is not a proof that the constitution contains a grant of those powers.
    You seem to be under the impression that the government or the people actually gives a damn about the Constitution. Whether or not they ought to is another matter. In a perfect world, absolutely, the Constitution ought to be honored and followed and the nation ought to be able to amend it as intended as time goes on, but in practice, that doesn't happen. You have to deal with what's actually true, not with what you wish was true.
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You seem to be under the impression that the government or the people actually gives a damn about the Constitution. Whether or not they ought to is another matter. In a perfect world, absolutely, the Constitution ought to be honored and followed and the nation ought to be able to amend it as intended as time goes on, but in practice, that doesn't happen. You have to deal with what's actually true, not with what you wish was true.
    I understand your point. As long as we are clear that the constitution is being violated. That was my point. The states, when they established their union, never granted congress the power to involve itself in the education of the people of the states.

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