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  • Total separation from all levels of government. All education privatized.

    26 3.86%
  • Total separation except for cities.

    35 5.19%
  • Total separation except for counties.

    47 6.97%
  • Total separation except for cities and counties.

    51 7.57%
  • Total separation except for states.

    68 10.09%
  • Separation except for states and cities

    48 7.12%
  • Separation except for states and counties

    55 8.16%
  • Separation from federal government only.

    49 7.27%
  • No separation

    216 32.05%
  • Other (specify)

    79 11.72%
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Congress has no power to interfere with the education policy of any of the several states.

    You, as a citizen of your sovereign state, have the power to influence your state's education policies.
    Apparently they do because they are doing it right now. I don't want my state to have separate education policies, I want every kid to learn the same thing at the same time in every school in the nation so that kids moving from one state to another state can immediately be integrated into the schools and not be a year ahead or a year behind. I don't want my kids walking into a school and having them learning pseudoscientific nonsense because the local churches have undue influence over the schools. Public education is supposed to be a wholly secular process. That can only happen when there is a single overarching authority keeping everyone at the same spot and with the same curriculum.
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Apparently they do because they are doing it right now.
    Please cite the text in the constitution that grants congress the power to interfere with the education policy of any of the several states.

    I don't want my state to have separate education policies, I want every kid to learn the same thing at the same time in every school in the nation so that kids moving from one state to another state can immediately be integrated into the schools and not be a year ahead or a year behind. I don't want my kids walking into a school and having them learning pseudoscientific nonsense because the local churches have undue influence over the schools. Public education is supposed to be a wholly secular process. That can only happen when there is a single overarching authority keeping everyone at the same spot and with the same curriculum.

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Please cite the text in the constitution that grants congress the power to interfere with the education policy of any of the several states.
    It doesn't matter what the Constitution says, it is actually happening right this minute, therefore they *DO* have the power, whether you like it or not. Power and permission are two different things.
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Whether they are learning or not is really irrelevant to this discussion. The idea that just because things aren't perfect right now, we should throw the whole system out and adopt another system which is just as prone to abuse, perhaps even more prone to abuse, is absurd. I don't care what Pasch says because he's not in charge of education. We know the current system is screwed up. Let's fix it. The absurd libertarian idea of just throwing it out the window and going with something that has absolutely no controls whatsoever is pathetically ridiculous.
    You argument limits the option along the same lines of authority that have always existed. There won't be any change.
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It doesn't matter what the Constitution says, it is actually happening right this minute, therefore they *DO* have the power, whether you like it or not. Power and permission are two different things.
    It never does, does it?
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You argument limits the option along the same lines of authority that have always existed. There won't be any change.
    There won't be any change so long as the American people don't want a change. All of this is just smoke and mirrors.
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It never does, does it?
    No and people need to be realistic about things. The American voters don't give a damn what the Constitution says and neither do the politicians. If that's all anyone has to go by, they've lost before they get started.
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It doesn't matter what the Constitution says, it is actually happening right this minute, therefore they *DO* have the power, whether you like it or not. Power and permission are two different things.
    It doesn't matter what the supreme law of the land says? Are you some kind of anarchist?

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    It doesn't matter what the supreme law of the land says? Are you some kind of anarchist?
    No, a realist. In practice, it doesn't matter and you know it.
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, a realist. In practice, it doesn't matter and you know it.
    The constitution does not grant congress the power to interfere with the education policy of any of the several states.

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