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  • Total separation from all levels of government. All education privatized.

    26 3.86%
  • Total separation except for cities.

    35 5.19%
  • Total separation except for counties.

    47 6.97%
  • Total separation except for cities and counties.

    51 7.57%
  • Total separation except for states.

    68 10.09%
  • Separation except for states and cities

    48 7.12%
  • Separation except for states and counties

    55 8.16%
  • Separation from federal government only.

    49 7.27%
  • No separation

    216 32.05%
  • Other (specify)

    79 11.72%
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Thread: Separation of Education and State

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes, blackmail works very well at this level. I take your money and in order for you to have some of it back for necessities you have to follow my rules.
    Blackmail is a funny word for that. For some things I guess you could consider it a bit of toying ( I don't usually consider that a bad thing) but plenty of other times you'll have them begging for the federal funds to do a project or a study they thought needed but couldn't fund.
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    No constitutional authority for such grants.
    Irrelevant, since it's been going on for decades. Have you or have you not found out what these grants purport to do and whether or not the folks in charge of administering it find it counterproductive or useful-and if so, what ones?
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Irrelevant, since it's been going on for decades.
    The law stands regardless of how long it has been violated.

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Blackmail is a funny word for that. For some things I guess you could consider it a bit of toying ( I don't usually consider that a bad thing) but plenty of other times you'll have them begging for the federal funds to do a project or a study they thought needed but couldn't fund.
    I believe it's apt. The last situation you note is only because the feds have taken the money away already and have decided to dole it out as educational grants for research. They've inserted themselves into it, a false and unnecessary middleman.

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    The law stands regardless of how long it has been violated.
    You told me you want to discuss your state's execution of education. I gave you one big means of federal intervention and you don't even bother discussing it.

    You Internet libertarians are so damn predictable. Do some research for a change. You guys are like Marxists.
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I believe it's apt. The last situation you note is only because the feds have taken the money away already and have decided to dole it out as educational grants for research. They've inserted themselves into it, a false and unnecessary middleman.
    I don't see how the states would have enough funds to do all it currently does with federal interventions and incentives. The states don't have that much money to give, even without a middle man.
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Irrelevant, since it's been going on for decades. Have you or have you not found out what these grants purport to do and whether or not the folks in charge of administering it find it counterproductive or useful-and if so, what ones?
    Christian education was going on in many of our public schools for almost two hundred years before the courts recognized it was unconstitutional. A whole lot of administrators thought it was useful to the educational environment.

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I don't see how the states would have enough funds to do all it currently does with federal interventions and incentives. The states don't have that much money to give, even without a middle man.
    They don't have the money to spend BECAUSE of the middleman. Where do you think the federal funding for education comes from?

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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    The union can only exercise the powers that the states gave it.
    One of those happens to be the necessary and proper clause.
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    Re: Separation of Education and State

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You told me you want to discuss your state's execution of education. I gave you one big means of federal intervention and you don't even bother discussing it.

    You Internet libertarians are so damn predictable. Do some research for a change. You guys are like Marxists.
    Congress has no power to interfere in how the people of the states educate their children.

    Feel free to show the text in the constitution that permits such an exercise of power over the people of the states.

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