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  • Extremely important--The top priority.

    24 4.55%
  • Very important--Close to top.

    33 6.26%
  • Important, but several others come first (specify).

    23 4.36%
  • Of some importance.

    41 7.78%
  • Doesn't matter much.

    69 13.09%
  • I like some regulations (specify).

    133 25.24%
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    204 38.71%
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    Re: Land Use Regulations on your own property.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Zoning ordinances and community by laws are an important part in creating and retaining the quality of a particular area and are consistent and in keeping with the basic idea that a society of people have a perfect right to have a voice in such matters without having a hecklers veto exercised by one person or a few people which destroys quality of life for others.

    In short - its part and parcel of living in a civilized society with others. If you do not like this arrangement - simply leave.
    Yes, the tract homes of suburban are perfect. The diversity of styles and artist natures of older urban areas suck. Those areas should be required to standardize or bulldoze it all down. NO ORGINALITY OR INDIVIDUAL CREATIVE. It's offense. It is the job of the majority via government to require conformity to set a universal standard of living and appearances. Liberals want universally enforced standards to force compliance to the will of the majority. No surprise.

    The zoning nazis who declare that "property values" are a constitutional right, for which they can tell you the color to paint your house and what plants you must have and may not have in your yard.

    Really, there should be a universal standard how people dress too to maintain the quality of the appearance of the community.
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    Re: Land Use Regulations on your own property.

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    There would be no individual land "ownership" in the first place w/o government enforcement protecting said "ownership".
    Curious definition of "protection." People in prison are protected by government. Is that what you mean? For some land owners, their land is not protected by the government. Historically, they protected their own land - and sometimes protected it from the government.

    It is sad listening to the roar of socialism and their concept of collective land ownership - which means someone else pays but they want control. And how much that actually despise constitutional protections. The government - in terms of the constitution - can not take anything in terms of land from someone without paying for the lose. It has only been in the last few decades that this has been disregarded in terms of regulations. A new regulation on land is a government seizure of that land value. The property owner should be paid for the lose.

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    Re: Land Use Regulations on your own property.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Curious definition of "protection." People in prison are protected by government. Is that what you mean?

    It is sad listening to the roar of socialism and their concept of collective land ownership - which means someone else pays but they want control.
    Not at all. If we did not have laws on the books regarding the individual right to buy and hold a deed to land combined with a government strong enough to enforce the individuals right to use the land, it would be a free for all. The same people who deride government and regulations wouldn't have **** w/o them.

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    Re: Land Use Regulations on your own property.

    One needs to tread carefully when buying land in the rural parts of our area if they intend to change its present use in any way. A lot of land has had use restrictions placed by prior owners on them regardless of county zoning that apply, and some of the zoning has unforeseen pitfalls. Examples of the former would be like no keeping unlicensed vehicle outside, no mobile homes, agricultural only, no subdivision permitted, no businesses (or no business of a certain type), homes have to be a certain minimum size or be made to a certain specification, etc. On the zoning side, there are special tax-relief zoning statuses for farmers in certain parts of the county. You buy and stick build you a house on an acre of that land and you could be paying a mint in taxes, fees and penalties because you retroactively voided that special tax-related zoning status back to when it was originally imposed.

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    Re: Land Use Regulations on your own property.

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Suppose you want to buy or build a home in a rural area. How important is it to you to get property that is free of land use or building regulations?
    I would want to buy property free of the regulations that determine what mailbox, color grass and trees I'm allowed to have. I've seen neighborhoods with those sorts of HOA regulations and they look like a dystopian nightmare. Somewhere out there probably are HOA rules that determine what kind of dog you can own and the color of your kids' hair.

    That said, it's a very fine line between abuse of regulations to no HOA regulations at all that result in your neighbor deciding to keep his '83 Plymouth Voyager on cinder blocks in the front yard.
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    Re: Land Use Regulations on your own property.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I would want to buy property free of the regulations that determine what mailbox, color grass and trees I'm allowed to have. I've seen neighborhoods with those sorts of HOA regulations and they look like a dystopian nightmare. Somewhere out there probably are HOA rules that determine what kind of dog you can own and the color of your kids' hair.

    That said, it's a very fine line between abuse of regulations to no HOA regulations at all that result in your neighbor deciding to keep his '83 Plymouth Voyager on cinder blocks in the front yard.
    HOA rules, however, are not government regulations, think of them as private party (aka HOA members) zoning rules. There will never be a state or local official enforcing a HOA rule, the members will have to sue each other to enforce them.

    To your second point regarding the fine line in zoning... to me that is the beauty of them because by and large they are decided locally for and by the communities they apply to.

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    Re: Land Use Regulations on your own property.

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    HOA rules, however, are not government regulations, think of them as private party (aka HOA members) zoning rules. There will never be a state or local official enforcing a HOA rule, the members will have to sue each other to enforce them.

    To your second point regarding the fine line in zoning... to me that is the beauty of them because by and large they are decided locally for and by the communities they apply to.
    There are in fact teeth to those rules, else what's the point in making those rules in the first place? Also, who makes those rules are whoever is put onto the HOA board in the first place, that can be basically everybody with a Napolean complex on your street.
    Lane's a North Carolina man who's caught up in a dispute with his HOA because he planted some pansies in a community common area. He "felt the flowers would spruce up the park, which he viewed as unsightly and unkempt," reports the Huntersville Herald. For committing his act of botanical goodwill, the Gilead Ridge Homeowners Association fined him. Then, when he refused to pay, the HOA placed a lien on his house. In the interest of avoiding foreclosure, Lane paid the fine—but he's now suing the HOA for $800,000 for abuse of process and other things. He's also founded a statewide coalition to help other homeowners in his state fight back against their HOAs.

    Don't think Lane's HOA "couldn't possibly" take his house just because he didn't pay their fines, because they totally could: "Before now, associations rarely, if ever, foreclosed on homeowners," reports AP. "But today, encouraged by a new industry of lawyers and consultants, boards are increasingly foreclosing on people 60 days past due on association fees."
    The Horror of Homeowners' Associations

    The larger article is more detailed, and is really just one example of numerous anecdotal experiences my family has dealt with.

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    Re: Land Use Regulations on your own property.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    There are in fact teeth to those rules, else what's the point in making those rules in the first place? Also, who makes those rules are whoever is put onto the HOA board in the first place, that can be basically everybody with a Napolean complex on your street.


    The Horror of Homeowners' Associations

    The larger article is more detailed, and is really just one example of numerous anecdotal experiences my family has dealt with.
    Of course there are teeth to them, members sign a legal contract agreeing to abide by the rules when buying property within the HOA. The main difference between HOA rules and Zoning Laws is who enforces them. Don't like the rules of the HOA, don't buy property in one. Personally I'd go insane dealing with the busybodies that tend to end up in HOA leadership.

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    Re: Land Use Regulations on your own property.

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    Of course there are teeth to them, members sign a legal contract agreeing to abide by the rules when buying property within the HOA. Don't like the rules of the HOA, don't buy property in one. Personally I'd go insane dealing with the busybodies that tend to end up in HOA leadership.
    And there you have your conundrum. No HOA = your neighbor potentially building a race track in his back yard (yes, that happened, and his neighbors could do nothing about it).

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    Re: Land Use Regulations on your own property.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And there you have your conundrum. No HOA = your neighbor potentially building a race track in his back yard (yes, that happened, and his neighbors could do nothing about it).
    There are always balancing acts with zoning/hoa rules, not everyone will be happy, but there usually is a compromise that most can live with.

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