View Poll Results: Land Use Regulations on Your Own Property

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  • Extremely important--The top priority.

    24 4.55%
  • Very important--Close to top.

    33 6.26%
  • Important, but several others come first (specify).

    23 4.36%
  • Of some importance.

    41 7.78%
  • Doesn't matter much.

    69 13.09%
  • I like some regulations (specify).

    133 25.24%
  • I like a restricted neighborhood (specify)

    204 38.71%
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    Re: Land Use Regulations on your own property.

    Cabin living off the grid in frigid Alaska a labor of love | Alaska Dispatch

    While dry cabins are against zoning laws in the city, city limits end just short of the University of Alaska-Fairbanks, where you’ll find dry cabin communities just a stone’s throw from popular bars and restaurants.

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    More absurd libertarian nonsense. There is probably nowhere on the planet that is completely free of land use restrictions, nor should there be. You cannot turn your property into a toxic waste dump or operate an unshielded nuclear reactor, I don't care where you go.

    Where do libertarians come up with this stupid crap?
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    Zoning ordinances and community by laws are an important part in creating and retaining the quality of a particular area and are consistent and in keeping with the basic idea that a society of people have a perfect right to have a voice in such matters without having a hecklers veto exercised by one person or a few people which destroys quality of life for others.

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    Re: Land Use Regulations on your own property.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Those are city codes, not Alaskan State codes. Only a small portion of Alaska is city, hugely rural/wilderness. Often off the grid living. There are many places, with large stretches of land where there are no building regs, no taxes, and no enforcement to begin with.

    I'd like to see the building regs for the Kilter homestead, we all just watched him install a wood heater up to his second story.
    No, it is Alaskan codes. And it is irrelevant to my point either way since whether the codes, laws and restrictions come from localities, the state or the federal government does not matter, only that they exist. ALaska, like every other state, has significant zoning, code, and other land use regulations. You just cannot get away from such laws, nor should you.
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    Re: Land Use Regulations on your own property.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    More absurd libertarian nonsense. There is probably nowhere on the planet that is completely free of land use restrictions, nor should there be. You cannot turn your property into a toxic waste dump or operate an unshielded nuclear reactor, I don't care where you go.

    Where do libertarians come up with this stupid crap?
    Of course there are such places. Take DR Congo, a libertarian paradise where you are completely free to do what you want with your land without restriction:



    Another libertarian utopia is Somalia. No "EPA Gestapo" there:



    Personally, I prefer rural land like this, but it does require some land use regulations to keep it that way:

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    If the government wants to restrict how people use their own land "for the good of everyone," then everyone (ie the government) should pay the land owner for the lose of value due to the restriction - particularly if this restriction is added AFTER the person bought the property.

    There is a lot of land that has no zoning restrictions, meaning only ordinances, state laws and federal laws apply. What there is no escape from is property taxes by which people are essentially renting their own property from the government. It used to be that a person's security for old age was homeowners (paying off the mortgage). But that doesn't much apply now because property taxes commonly are as high or higher than renting a small apartment. Thus, for many people a condition of retirement is they must move out of their house.

    The government imposing new restrictions is causing many people here to lose their homes and businesses. Septic systems have been outlawed - and the majority of homes and businesses are on their own septic system. They are now required to pay for a public sewage system - for which people are being hit with $10,000 to $20,000 bills for their homes, and more for businesses. Many of the people, particularly seniors, don't have $15,000 as they live hand to mouth on fixed income. For this, the local/county government is putting the bill on their property taxes - at 10% interest - meaning if they can't scrape up around $20,000 to $30,000 in two years they will lose their home for property taxes, even if a tiny wood frame home or even old mobile home not even worth that much.

    Fees and new extra restrictions and requirements on people and their homes/businesses is pounding this area in terms of business closures and vacancies. As property values crash as a result, so does tax income, meaning they just keep raising fees and add-ons to make up for it.

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    Re: Land Use Regulations on your own property.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    More absurd libertarian nonsense. There is probably nowhere on the planet that is completely free of land use restrictions, nor should there be. You cannot turn your property into a toxic waste dump or operate an unshielded nuclear reactor, I don't care where you go.

    Where do libertarians come up with this stupid crap?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post

    Such a pretty picture. But in many regions government restrictions and regulations on how small scale farmers use their land and don't use it has forced them out and instead you should post a picture of a huge corporate "farm." The age of the barn in your picture tells the story. YOUR side basically has outlawed that farm. So YOU really should show a picture of rows of metal sheds with migrant workers working the for the corporation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If the government wants to restrict how people use their own land "for the good of everyone," then everyone (ie the government) should pay the land owner for the lose of value due to the restriction - particularly if this restriction is added AFTER the person bought the property.

    There is a lot of land that has no zoning restrictions, meaning only ordinances, state laws and federal laws apply. What there is no escape from is property taxes by which people are essentially renting their own property from the government. It used to be that a person's security for old age was homeowners (paying off the mortgage). But that doesn't much apply now because property taxes commonly are as high or higher than renting a small apartment. Thus, for many people a condition of retirement is they must move out of their house.

    The government imposing new restrictions is causing many people here to lose their homes and businesses. Septic systems have been outlawed - and the majority of homes and businesses are on their own septic system. They are now required to pay for a public sewage system - for which people are being hit with $10,000 to $20,000 bills for their homes, and more for businesses. Many of the people, particularly seniors, don't have $15,000 as they live hand to mouth on fixed income. For this, the local/county government is putting the bill on their property taxes - at 10% interest - meaning if they can't scrape up around $20,000 to $30,000 in two years they will lose their home for property taxes, even if a tiny wood frame home or even old mobile home not even worth that much.

    Fees and new extra restrictions and requirements on people and their homes/businesses is pounding this area in terms of business closures and vacancies. As property values crash as a result, so does tax income, meaning they just keep raising fees and add-ons to make up for it.
    There would be no individual land "ownership" in the first place w/o government enforcement protecting said "ownership".

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    Re: Land Use Regulations on your own property.

    I really wonder about the stability of the 30 that love restrictions.

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