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Thread: Crosses the free speech line?

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    Crosses the free speech line?

    There are videos of protestors marching chanting over and over and over:

    "What do we want? Dead cops.
    When do we want them? Now!"

    Two police officers shot. The message 3 hours before this by the murderer?

    “They Take 1 Of Ours . . . Let’s Take 2 of Theirs,” the post continued, ending with, “This May Be My Final Post.”

    Clearly links it to the protest issue.

    Does that chant cross the allowed free speech? What about A group marching chatting they want dead black people? Dead gays? Dead Muslims?

    I think it does. It is clearly attempting to incite violence. I would argue it is a terroristic threat. That they "want" it shows intent. That they "want" it "now," means its tangible and imminent.

    If people can chant they want cops killed now, any group or anyone can want anyone individually or by category killed.

    You're thoughts?
    Last edited by joko104; 12-22-14 at 03:12 AM.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    My thoughts, specific to this OP are, "why all this concern over law enforcement suddenly?"
    Last edited by X Factor; 12-22-14 at 03:12 AM.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    My thoughts are, "why are you feigning all this concern over law enforcement suddenly?"
    When have you would concern over any killing in message, once a person is born anyway? That seems an appropriate response to your toilet message at me.

    I have predicted otherwise that if there is not some addressing of police abuse - which I do NOT see as a racial issue and posted that many times, there will inevitably be blowback violent.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    When have you would concern over any killing, once a person is born? That seems an appropriate response to your toilet message at me.

    I have predicted otherwise that if there is not some addressing of police abuse - which I do NOT see as a racial issue and posted that many times, there will inevitably be blowback violent.
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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There are videos of protestors marching chanting over and over and over:

    "What do we want? Dead cops.
    When do we want them? Now!"

    Two police officers shot. The message 3 hours before this by the murderer?

    “They Take 1 Of Ours . . . Let’s Take 2 of Theirs,” the post continued, ending with, “This May Be My Final Post.”

    Clearly links it to the protest issue.

    Does that chant cross the allowed free speech? What about A group marching chatting they want dead black people? Dead gays? Dead Muslims?

    I think it does. It is clearly attempting to incite violence. I would argue it is a terroristic threat. That they "want" it shows intent. That they "want" it "now," means its tangible and imminent.

    If people can chant they want cops killed now, any group or anyone can want anyone individually or by category killed.

    You're thoughts?
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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Ah, there's the Joko I know. Cops just had it coming, eh?
    No, I won't go along with this derailment attempt of yours. You want to make this about me personally, take it somewhere else.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No, I won't go along with this derailment attempt of yours. You want to make this about me personally, take it somewhere else.
    I will say that I initially worded my first reply poorly. Using the word "feigning" was not the best because it indicates it's not genuine and that's not what I meant. I take your sentiments at face value but my question was more like why the sudden shift?

    Just wanted to clarify that.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I will say that I initially worded my first reply poorly. Using the word "feigning" was not the best because it indicates it's not genuine and that's not what I meant. I take your sentiments at face value but my question was more like why the sudden shift?

    Just wanted to clarify that.
    No shift.

    This is a legitimate free speech question. Long ago the Supreme Court ruled there are limits to free speech, specifically those that truly endanger people. (The shouting "fire" in a crowded theater). Terroristic threats are criminal. Many words people say are criminally illegal. Others are civilly unlawful such as slander, liable, copyright violations (civil and sometimes criminal) etc.

    This thread raises the question of whether a group of people chanting for an other group to be immediately killed, the essence of the chant, is illegal, legal but immoral, or entirely protected free speech?

    Do you have an opinion on this?

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No shift.

    This is a legitimate free speech question. Long ago the Supreme Court ruled there are limits to free speech, specifically those that truly endanger people. (The shouting "fire" in a crowded theater). Terroristic threats are criminal. Many words people say are criminally illegal. Others are civilly unlawful such as slander, liable, copyright violations (civil and sometimes criminal) etc.

    This thread raises the question of whether a group of people chanting for an other group to be immediately killed, the essence of the chant, is illegal, legal but immoral, or entirely protected free speech?

    Do you have an opinion on this?
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