View Poll Results: Did chanting for police "wanting dead cops now" cross free speech line?

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Thread: Crosses the free speech line?

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There are videos of protestors marching chanting over and over and over:

    "What do we want? Dead cops.
    When do we want them? Now!"

    Two police officers shot. The message 3 hours before this by the murderer?

    “They Take 1 Of Ours . . . Let’s Take 2 of Theirs,” the post continued, ending with, “This May Be My Final Post.”

    Clearly links it to the protest issue.

    Does that chant cross the allowed free speech? What about A group marching chatting they want dead black people? Dead gays? Dead Muslims?

    I think it does. It is clearly attempting to incite violence. I would argue it is a terroristic threat. That they "want" it shows intent. That they "want" it "now," means its tangible and imminent.

    If people can chant they want cops killed now, any group or anyone can want anyone individually or by category killed.

    You're thoughts?
    While utterly repugnant, even more so than yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater, I do not equate this as yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

    The theater scenario causes panic and the very real threat of injury/death due to stampede because people don't have time to assess the situation. They simply react and run.

    In the protest scenario you present, it is true that people may be incited to violence, and there is something to be said for "mob mentality", but it's not a fear of life or death right now causing panic. People still have the luxury of time to consider their options, hence each individual is still responsible for their own actions.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Right! I mean, it's not like minorities have ever had problems with law enforcement before. What on earth would make minorities have any sort of distrust of cops? The mind bottles.
    Bottles? Auto-correct?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Bottles? Auto-correct?
    It's a quote from Blades of Glory.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It's a quote from Blades of Glory.
    Oh, ok. lol

    (Never saw it)
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I sounded like she wanted revenge to me. But, that was protected by free speech.

    Also, let's go to Nevada for a minute, freedom of speech, freedom to assemble, and freedom to carry weapons, just in case government agents got out of control, a man saying he's put his child and wife in the line of fire if it came to that.

    How far do we want to take these freedoms? To death?
    "Give me liberty, or give me death." -Patrick Henry
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    The systems that ensure freedom and liberty are breaking down and fundamentalism is growing. Nobody is righteous anymore.


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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Outside of direct threads (that are illegal), there is no such thing in my mind as crossing the free speech line.

    Outside of threatening violence, people should be able to say anything they want to anyone they want.

    No one is going to kill a cop strictly because they saw someone say they want to see a cop dead unless they are nuts.


    There are a few hundred more examples that need to be on the list. An exception need be made with regard to racist statements, it should be illegal to negatively incite an identifiable group. You should not be allowed to bear false witness, spread a rumor or tell an untruth about anyone.

    You should not be allowed to yell "fire" in a crowded theater, incite people to violence, bear false witness, lie under oath, or insult the integrity of the courts.

    Exemptions to free speech need to be made in regard include depictions as in video or photographs. Unauthorized publications of child porn, exploitation of children or others and unauthorized sexual content of any kind needs exemption, along with certain privacy matters, like health records etc.
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