View Poll Results: Did chanting for police "wanting dead cops now" cross free speech line?

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Right! I mean, it's not like minorities have ever had problems with law enforcement before. What on earth would make minorities have any sort of distrust of cops? The mind bottles.
    LOL. I see what you did there. 'hick'
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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I didn't blame the chanters for the death of the officers. Rather, my claim is that what they were doing is illegal.
    No; as long as they weren't naming a specif person it's no different that yelling , say - Death to Iran!
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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Technically, no. The shout doesn't call for imminent acts of violence. That's what you have to do in order to cross the line. It's not a constructive thing to say, but it's not illegal.
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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Without that, life today would be impossible.
    Indeed. That is why there were no people before digital cameras and the internet.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    What about Sarah Palin's "don't retreat, reload" statement, isn't that over the top?
    AND THIS....

    Is where the thread derailed.....

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You are right. Death to Cops is incitement, no different than Death to Blacks or Death to Jews or Death to Whites, all deserving of incarceration.
    A person is guilty of inciting to riot when he urges ten or more persons to engage in tumultuous and violent conduct of a kind likely to create public alarm. Inciting to riot is a class A misdemeanor.
    - See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/P....rvD8rYb9.dpuf
    I don't know much about it but it seems I don't think given the statute chanting "death to cops" rises to the the level of incitement to riot.

    The guy shouting "burn this mother down" in Furguson probably does but this one I don't so.

    Still it's a dumbass thing to say.
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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There are videos of protestors marching chanting over and over and over:

    "What do we want? Dead cops.
    When do we want them? Now!"

    Two police officers shot. The message 3 hours before this by the murderer?

    “They Take 1 Of Ours . . . Let’s Take 2 of Theirs,” the post continued, ending with, “This May Be My Final Post.”

    Clearly links it to the protest issue.

    Does that chant cross the allowed free speech? What about A group marching chatting they want dead black people? Dead gays? Dead Muslims?

    I think it does. It is clearly attempting to incite violence. I would argue it is a terroristic threat. That they "want" it shows intent. That they "want" it "now," means its tangible and imminent.

    If people can chant they want cops killed now, any group or anyone can want anyone individually or by category killed.

    You're thoughts?
    It is certainly an unsettling call to arms. But it is not ex nihilo. Is was obvious in the demonstrations following the killings of the blacks by police that the countrycountryhas a rather large problem here. It also became clear, when reading around the theme that nobody really knows what to do.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Indeed. That is why there were no people before digital cameras and the internet.
    Sure there weren't. Before cameras and concealable recording devices, things like police brutality were hard to prove. But we wouldn't know about those because we were both born yesterday.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I don't know much about it but it seems I don't think given the statute chanting "death to cops" rises to the the level of incitement to riot.
    I'm no mathematician, but it looks to me like more than 10 people were involved, and killing cops is the type of tumultuous and violent conduct likely to create public alarm.

    Still it's a dumbass thing to say.
    True enough.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I'm no mathematician, but it looks to me like more than 10 people were involved, and killing cops is the type of tumultuous and violent conduct likely to create public alarm.



    True enough.
    It's the "urges people to engage in violent action" that I think would be the sticking point. They're not actively telling people to kill anyone. (At least I don't think)
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