View Poll Results: Did chanting for police "wanting dead cops now" cross free speech line?

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Thread: Crosses the free speech line?

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Outside of direct threads (that are illegal), there is no such thing in my mind as crossing the free speech line.

    Outside of threatening violence, people should be able to say anything they want to anyone they want.

    No one is going to kill a cop strictly because they saw someone say they want to see a cop dead unless they are nuts.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I do not know if it is illegal in the US, but it should be IMHO.
    It is not illegal in the although its close to our limits but it should not be illegal. I dint see how you can draw the line and say one type of controversial speech is illegal and one is okay, its either all okay or nothing is and that's why the US is pretty much the only country with true freedom of speech.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    At least in my state, telling someone you are going to kill them in an angry or threatening way is illegal. It is a terroristic threat.
    So the cops on the ground hearing this should have arrested the protesters and charged them with terrorism?

    Cite the law in your state, to make me and others believe it.

    Or, would you be referencing "hate speech"?

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    It would appear to be clearly inciting (openly inviting?) violence/mayhem. In the current political (racial?) environment that law is ignored just as it was with the NBP dead or alive bounties and the repeated "burn the bitch down" (request?) by the moron in Ferguson. It seems that mainly (only?) "protected classes" get the attention of the DOJ these days.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Right! I mean, it's not like minorities have ever had problems with law enforcement before. What on earth would make minorities have any sort of distrust of cops? The mind bottles.
    Its not like we never saw minorities riot before. What on earth would make anyone fear that minorities may riot, loot or burn a business? The mind boggles.
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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post

    If people can chant they want cops killed now, any group or anyone can want anyone individually or by category killed.

    You're thoughts?
    ... it is impossible for police departments to craft engagement policies that prioritize budget concerns and the lives of police officers that also allows those officers and departments to have the respect of the communities they serve. Saving departments money and police officers their lives translates directly into dead and injured civilians, and expenses for the family and community of those civilians.

    The reoccurring explanation is that the civilian had it coming in one of 20-30 legally interchangeable senses, only a handful of which actually pass muster in public scrutiny. Add the fact that police departments and unions will necessarily attempt to protect their own regardless of the merits of the case, and you have an environment where cops are going to be mistrusted and hated.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 12-22-14 at 08:53 AM.
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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So when Sarah Palin says something potentially inflammatory, it's a "figure of speech." But when a small group of pissed-off people says it, it's ... what, exactly?
    Are you really supporting people saying "WE WANT DEAD COPS!"

    That's a threat of murder and illegal... The context was not as a figure of speech, they meant it literally. How else are you supposed to take it?


    "don't back down, reload" was advocating for 2nd amendment gun laws. No-one was asking to shoot anyone... I'm amazed...

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I can't figure out what on earth he's talking about. His "blame Kennedy for the Cuban embargo" thread was unreal in how detached from reality it was.
    With such an attempt to divert with an irrelevant personal attack, it would seem that the diversion attempt is because you support that chant. You certainly won't criticize it.
    Last edited by joko104; 12-22-14 at 12:29 PM.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    So the cops on the ground hearing this should have arrested the protesters and charged them with terrorism?

    Cite the law in your state, to make me and others believe it.

    Or, would you be referencing "hate speech"?
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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    My thoughts, specific to this OP are, "why all this concern over law enforcement suddenly?"
    Well, they are being executed in the streets. So I think the concern is reasonable.

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