View Poll Results: Did chanting for police "wanting dead cops now" cross free speech line?

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Thread: Crosses the free speech line?

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    What about Sarah Palin's "don't retreat, reload" statement, isn't that over the top?
    Ethically, maybe, but I don't really remember the context so can't really say. Did she say she wanted any one or group specifically "dead" "now?" Again, I don't remember the context. I do remember she and the DNC both had maps with targets on them. But at election districts, not people.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Ethically, maybe, but I don't really remember the context so can't really say. Did she say she wanted any one or group specifically "dead" "now?" Again, I don't remember the context. I do remember she and the DNC both had maps with targets on them. But at election districts, not people.
    I sounded like she wanted revenge to me. But, that was protected by free speech.

    Also, let's go to Nevada for a minute, freedom of speech, freedom to assemble, and freedom to carry weapons, just in case government agents got out of control, a man saying he's put his child and wife in the line of fire if it came to that.

    How far do we want to take these freedoms? To death?

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    What about Sarah Palin's "don't retreat, reload" statement, isn't that over the top?
    Wasn't that used as a figure of speech in response to anti-gun laws reinforcing the second amendment? Kind of like a catchy "don't back down" on pro-gun laws.

    I'm sure you know the difference, youre just being dishonest right?

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Wasn't that used as a figure of speech in response to anti-gun laws reinforcing the second amendment? Kind of like a catchy "don't back down" on pro-gun laws.

    I'm sure you know the difference, youre just being dishonest right?
    Not being dishonest at all, you either have constitutional rights, or you don't.

    When a crowd says "dead cops", do you really believe they mean that? I take it with a grain of salt, not much to take action on. Like saying to someone "I'm going to kill you" but I'm not, it's an expression, freedom of speech.

    Might have been 50 people chanting dead cops, do you think they all meant it, literally?

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Not being dishonest at all, you either have constitutional rights, or you don't.

    When a crowd says "dead cops", do you really believe they mean that? I take it with a grain of salt, not much to take action on. Like saying to someone "I'm going to kill you" but I'm not, it's an expression, freedom of speech.

    Might have been 50 people chanting dead cops, do you think they all meant it, literally?
    At least in my state, telling someone you are going to kill them in an angry or threatening way is illegal. It is a terroristic threat.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    My thoughts, specific to this OP are, "why all this concern over law enforcement suddenly?"
    Right! I mean, it's not like minorities have ever had problems with law enforcement before. What on earth would make minorities have any sort of distrust of cops? The mind bottles.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Ah, there's the Joko I know. Cops just had it coming, eh?
    I can't figure out what on earth he's talking about. His "blame Kennedy for the Cuban embargo" thread was unreal in how detached from reality it was.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    What about Sarah Palin's "don't retreat, reload" statement, isn't that over the top?
    NO. THAT one is OK.

    /republican mode off
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Not being dishonest at all, you either have constitutional rights, or you don't.

    When a crowd says "dead cops", do you really believe they mean that? I take it with a grain of salt, not much to take action on. Like saying to someone "I'm going to kill you" but I'm not, it's an expression, freedom of speech.

    Might have been 50 people chanting dead cops, do you think they all meant it, literally?
    The most dishonest thing about the "dead cops" chanters, who were few in number, is that their words have been applied to anyone who might have an issue with the treatment of unarmed black men by law enforcement.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Crosses the free speech line?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Wasn't that used as a figure of speech in response to anti-gun laws reinforcing the second amendment? Kind of like a catchy "don't back down" on pro-gun laws.

    I'm sure you know the difference, youre just being dishonest right?
    So when Sarah Palin says something potentially inflammatory, it's a "figure of speech." But when a small group of pissed-off people says it, it's ... what, exactly?
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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