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Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433]

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?


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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Haha yea right I'm racist... The white hebrew guy... Your funny man...

So its not true that blacks where building pyramids and discovering math when whites where just getting west? (although we where not really in caves) you have a very interesting take on history if you don't believe that...

Sureeeee your not racist, you just don't think blacks are justified in showing their indignation based on a racist system... That makes SOOOO much sense...

Now you're making fun of my skin color and calling me hebrew? You hate the Jews? Interesting.

I myself was born catholic, but am not religious. Your bigoted assumptions must have come from my first post about supporting Israel. That has nothing to do with religion.

It's very clear by your racist rant that you support Al Sharpton and the mission to kill police officers. I feel very sorry for those around you.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Now you're making fun of my skin color and calling me hebrew? You hate the Jews? Interesting.

I myself was born catholic, but am not religious. Your bigoted assumptions must have come from my first post about supporting Israel. That has nothing to do with religion.

It's very clear by your racist rant that you support Al Sharpton and the mission to kill police officers. I feel very sorry for those around you.

Haha no dude im the white hebrew guy... Idk why you would think I was saying you where.

I am not religious either, hence I am Hebrew because its still part of my ethnicity.

Hilarious you claimed I had a racist rant. Make a legitimate argument or just stop...
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Haha no dude im the white hebrew guy... Idk why you would think I was saying you where.

I am not religious either, hence I am Hebrew because its still part of my ethnicity.

Hilarious you claimed I had a racist rant. Make a legitimate argument or just stop...

Lol, the man spouting bigoted support for Al Sharpton and the cop killers is trying to climb out of the giant hole he dug himself in to by resorting to deflection. I see you've got nothing else?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Lol, the man spouting bigoted support for Al Sharpton and the cop killers is trying to climb out of the giant hole he dug himself in to by resorting to deflection. I see you've got nothing else?
I'm not the one accusing others of being a bigot with no evidence. Nor did I resort to deflection. Go look in a mirror.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

I'm not the one accusing others of being a bigot with no evidence. Nor did I resort to deflection. Go look in a mirror.

Really? You defended Al Sharpton's bigoted comment, heck you even agreed with it. He apologized for that bigoted rant, by the way. As posted in video source I posted. So you're the only one defending his words.

It's clear you are very young. I hope you grow in wisdom and find that these issues are not about race at all. They are about criminals breaking the law. One day you'll get it. Until then, enjoy supporting the firebombing of cities by angry and idiotic rioters.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Really? You defended Al Sharpton's bigoted comment, heck you even agreed with it. He apologized for that bigoted rant, by the way. As posted in video source I posted. So you're the only one defending his words.

No I said it was PARTIALLY true. I also never said it was not bigoted, especially the bit about Jews.

It's clear you are very young. I hope you grow in wisdom and find that these issues are not about race at all. They are about criminals breaking the law. One day you'll get it. Until then, enjoy supporting the firebombing of cities by angry and idiotic rioters.

Its clear you are very biased, and believe propaganda. I will never support a racist system that disenfranchises people and police that are obviously racist.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

No I said it was PARTIALLY true. I also never said it was not bigoted, especially the bit about Jews.



Its clear you are very biased, and believe propaganda. I will never support a racist system that disenfranchises people and police that are obviously racist.

Which police officers are you claiming are racist? Which districts? Are they racist, or are the black people being arrested DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL?

You can't call a body of people racist when you probably only know .000000001% of their entire organization. That would be judgemental and bigoted.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Which police officers are you claiming are racist? Which districts? Are they racist, or are the black people being arrested DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL?

You can't call a body of people racist when you probably only know .000000001% of their entire organization. That would be judgemental and bigoted.
They are all racist against anyone not blue.

And all you have to do to see they profile blacks more than whites is look at the numbers arrested for small amounts of marijuana. Whites smoke just as much as blacks...
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

They are all racist against anyone not blue.

And all you have to do to see they profile blacks more than whites is look at the numbers arrested for small amounts of marijuana. Whites smoke just as much as blacks...

Can you provide me with a source that says those black people were ONLY arrested for the small amounts of marijuana? I have a feeling they did something else illegal as well. Officers aren't racist (I was a LEO). None of them want to do 18 pages of paperwork and extend our already long shifts just to take some punk in for having a gram of pot.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Can you provide me with a source that says those black people were ONLY arrested for the small amounts of marijuana? I have a feeling they did something else illegal as well. Officers aren't racist (I was a LEO). None of them want to do 18 pages of paperwork and extend our already long shifts just to take some punk in for having a gram of pot.

Then why do they do it so often?

All you have to do is look at the small amounts of marijuana class they make you do. By definition you can't have been charged with anything else to get into one...

Officers do not have to arrest non violent drug offenders. They choose to.

You are all racist against anything not blue, and support each other no matter what horrendous actions you commit. You should all be forced to do community service, the pension fund should be ransacked and given to the community's you harmed, and those large amounts of officers that arrest people with no probable cause and falsify documents to make it up should be in jail. Police are the biggest gang in America.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Then why do they do it so often?

All you have to do is look at the small amounts of marijuana class they make you do. By definition you can't have been charged with anything else to get into one...

Officers do not have to arrest non violent drug offenders. They choose to.

You are all racist against anything not blue, and support each other no matter what horrendous actions you commit. You should all be forced to do community service, the pension fund should be ransacked and given to the community's you harmed, and those large amounts of officers that arrest people with no probable cause and falsify documents to make it up should be in jail. Police are the biggest gang in America.

"Officers do not have to arrest non violent drug offenders. They choose to". Cite me that lie you just posted. Each department has a leader that tells them if they need to enforce them to the bone, or to lax out the law. Some districts have zero tolerance laws so the officers HAVE to make those arrests, and some districts don't.

Your bigoted assumptions are noted, and it's nice that this online community can see your blatant bigotry. Go enjoy your anti-law enforcement forums where you laugh about police getting shot.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

"Officers do not have to arrest non violent drug offenders. They choose to". Cite me that lie you just posted. Each department has a leader that tells them if they need to enforce them to the bone, or to lax out the law. Some districts have zero tolerance laws so the officers HAVE to make those arrests, and some districts don't.

Your bigoted assumptions are noted, and it's nice that this online community can see your blatant bigotry. Go enjoy your anti-law enforcement forums where you laugh about police getting shot.
They do not have to work at such a unjust precinct, and they are not technically obligated to arrest them all, even though they do. Arrests are discretionary. I should hope you know that...

How am a bigot? For calling a racist police force what it is?

I love that false accusation there at the end, I bet you planted loads on people to make quotas...
 
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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

They do not have to work at such a unjust precinct, and they are not technically obligated to arrest them all, even though they do.

How am a bigot? For calling a racist police force what it is?

I love that false accusation there at the end, I bet you planted loads on people to make quotas...

Keep in mind, genius, that the patrol officers don't make the laws. That's what we call "politicians". Do you know what a poltician does? Do you know what Congress' job is? It's not a cop's job to pass judgement on a law, in fact, they aren't allowed to. If they see a black guy take a gun and shoot a white KKK member, the officer might think to himself "Hah, good, the guy deserved it", but he's still going to shoot the black guy because he committed the crime.

A cop's job is to enforce the laws that the politicans YOU voted for, created. You're whining and crying about law enforcement won't change that. Local politicians have a huge hand on what police departments have to enforce. Start by whining to them!
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Keep in mind, genius, that the patrol officers don't make the laws. That's what we call "politicians". Do you know what a poltician does? Do you know what Congress' job is? It's not a cop's job to pass judgement on a law, in fact, they aren't allowed to. If they see a black guy take a gun and shoot a white KKK member, the officer might think to himself "Hah, good, the guy deserved it", but he's still going to shoot the black guy because he committed the crime.

A cop's job is to enforce the laws that the politicans YOU voted for, created. You're whining and crying about law enforcement won't change that. Local politicians have a huge hand on what police departments have to enforce. Start by whining to them!
Again arrests are discretionary. Are not necessary in most instances. Obviously in you irrelevant situation they are obligated to make a arrest.

Fop lobby's for stronger drug laws. They certainly do weigh in on political matters.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Again arrests are discretionary. Are not necessary in most instances. Obviously in you irrelevant situation they are obligated to make a arrest.

Fop lobby's for stronger drug laws. They certainly do weigh in on political matters.

Arrests are not always discretionary- take pot for instance. That's still illegal federally. However, since many states are legalizing it, many departments/districts are laxing their arrests for pot (unless obviously they are committing other crimes as well). Some states still have ZERO TOLERANCE. That means, if you have pot you go to jail. That's not discretionary. I don't know why you're having so much trouble grasping this.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Arrests are not always discretionary- take pot for instance. That's still illegal federally. However, since many states are legalizing it, many departments/districts are laxing their arrests for pot (unless obviously they are committing other crimes as well). Some states still have ZERO TOLERANCE. That means, if you have pot you go to jail. That's not discretionary. I don't know why you're having so much trouble grasping this.
Because your wrong.

The arresting officer has the discretion to not make a arrest. Just like a speeding ticket.

Also you completely ignore that make up probable cause to pull people over all the time, and That they even falsify charges to meet quotas if there happens to not be allot of crime. If they really did not want to make arrests, why would they do these things?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Because your wrong.

The arresting officer has the discretion to not make a arrest. Just like a speeding ticket.

Also you completely ignore that make up probable cause to pull people over all the time, and That they even falsify charges to meet quotas if there happens to not be allot of crime. If they really did not want to make arrests, why would they do these things?

Nope, you can't just lie and call it a fact.

Pot laws very by STATE. In some states, pot is the same as a speeding ticket (or legal), rendering it under a class C misdemeanor. In some states, having a small about of pot is a class B or even A MD that HAS to result in arrest. However, is the officer allowed to look the other way? We don't know, there isn't a clear law about that regarding pot. Some cops don't give a crap if someone has pot, I never cared (lived in a state with lax pot laws).
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Nope, you can't just lie and call it a fact.

Pot laws very by STATE. In some states, pot is the same as a speeding ticket (or legal), rendering it under a class C misdemeanor. In some states, having a small about of pot is a class B or even A MD that HAS to result in arrest. However, is the officer allowed to look the other way? We don't know, there isn't a clear law about that regarding pot. Some cops don't give a crap if someone has pot, I never cared (lived in a state with lax pot laws).
I'm not lying. Arrests for drugs are discretionary, regardless of the class. The only things that are not considered discretionary are immediate threats and in some states domestic disputes.

Your still ignoring illegal arrests, and falsification of evidence, which is a epidemic in Americas police culture.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

I'm not lying. Arrests for drugs are discretionary, regardless of the class. The only things that are not considered discretionary are immediate threats and in some states domestic disputes.

Your still ignoring illegal arrests, and falsification of evidence, which is a epidemic in Americas police culture.

I don't know where you got your law degree from, but I'm sure that place has since closed down...

What falsification of evidence? How is that an epidemic? Provide us with proof of this "epidemic" of falsifying arrest records. There were 12 million arrests last year. How many of them have falsified evidence according to your factual evidence?

.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

I don't know where you got your law degree from, but I'm sure that place has since closed down...

What falsification of evidence? How is that an epidemic? Provide us with proof of this "epidemic" of falsifying arrest records. There were 12 million arrests last year. How many of them have falsified evidence according to your factual evidence?

.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%?
Probably a good portions of the narco ones, especially narco ones that start with a traffic stop. Sadly we will probably never know. I would guess at least 25%

They falsify the probable cause to pull you over. I know at least ten or twenty people this has happened to. They lie and say you ran a stop sign or whatever just so they can search your car because your the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood. That can go both ways.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Actually the forensic evidence can go either way on that. He could have been putting his hands up close to the window after Wilson grabbed him, and gotten his finger blown off at point blank that way.

Forensic evidence cannot be examined in a vacuum. You must examine it along with witness testimony. To do otherwise is wrought with fallacy.

Really? Many witnesses are discredited? The only one I know of being fully discredited is the one that supported Wilson (witness 40) which other ones where proven to have given false testimony?

Like I said this is all old by now. The professionals testified that browns blood was found in the car, and that in conjunction with the powder residue it was clear his hands were indeed inside the vehicle. Why dont you know these basic facts? And there were other witnesses (besides browns fellow thug robber) were found to have been elsewhere during the incident, or who's testimony did not match the hard evidence. This isn't mob rule-a bunch of witnesses dont get to decide what the truth is (and then riot and murder)-but they have.

There is a reason this didn't go to trial-its because there was no case, and like the zimmerman trial trying to make it into one because of public and political pressure just isn't good enough.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

"Officers do not have to arrest non violent drug offenders. They choose to". Cite me that lie you just posted. Each department has a leader that tells them if they need to enforce them to the bone, or to lax out the law. Some districts have zero tolerance laws so the officers HAVE to make those arrests, and some districts don't.

Your bigoted assumptions are noted, and it's nice that this online community can see your blatant bigotry. Go enjoy your anti-law enforcement forums where you laugh about police getting shot.

He wants reality to fit his preconceived notions of "justice", see my sig.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Like I said this is all old by now. The professionals testified that browns blood was found in the car, and that in conjunction with the powder residue it was clear his hands were indeed inside the vehicle. Why dont you know these basic facts? And there were other witnesses (besides browns fellow thug robber) were found to have been elsewhere during the incident, or who's testimony did not match the hard evidence. This isn't mob rule-a bunch of witnesses dont get to decide what the truth is (and then riot and murder)-but they have.

There is a reason this didn't go to trial-its because there was no case, and like the zimmerman trial trying to make it into one because of public and political pressure just isn't good enough.

It is not clear his hands where inside the vehicle. The blood could have gotten there through spatter, and the powder residue your talking about was found on him, which again could have happened both ways. Again you ignore what other forensic scientists have said about how one examines forensic evidence. You are doing so in a vacuum, and totally ignoring the eyewitness testimony.

Furthermore those witness's never should have been on the stand at such a preceding. The prosecution should have made a brief case, recommended charges, and left it to the grand jury.

Forensic evidence is to be studied in conjunction with eyewitness testimony. That's just a fact.

What other witness (besides 40) was discredited?

The Zimmerman case was a travesty of justice, and this even more obviously was. The prosecutor might get investigated for basically not doing his job, and his lengthy record of letting cops slide.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

He wants reality to fit his preconceived notions of "justice", see my sig.
Well that's just hilarious. Your sig is perfect for the right, the left not so much...

Who was it that was saying the cop should be acquitted and it shouldn't even go to trial? Not the left...

Talk about preconception...
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

It is not clear his hands where inside the vehicle. The blood could have gotten there through spatter, and the powder residue your talking about was found on him, which again could have happened both ways. Again you ignore what other forensic scientists have said about how one examines forensic evidence. You are doing so in a vacuum, and totally ignoring the eyewitness testimony.

Furthermore those witness's never should have been on the stand at such a preceding. The prosecution should have made a brief case, recommended charges, and left it to the grand jury.

Forensic evidence is to be studied in conjunction with eyewitness testimony. That's just a fact.

What other witness (besides 40) was discredited?

The Zimmerman case was a travesty of justice, and this even more obviously was. The prosecutor might get investigated for basically not doing his job, and his lengthy record of letting cops slide.

You aren't a professional forensics examiner, and the ones that testified said they only way this blood from the dead thug got inside the police vehicle, as well as the only way powder residue got on his dominant arm was because he was in the vehicle. The rest of the shots took place at a much further range where powder residue would not be seen.

The Zimmerman case was spot on, as was this-even if your preconceived notions dont fit-and the grand jury agreed.
 
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