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Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433]

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?


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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

The left is big on hate speech, but never when it can apply to them. Interesting.

That's silliness. Defend your position or concede.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

No your suggesting I go read incorrect propaganda. Maybe try reading something factual...

You saying I need to be more informed about this topic is laughable.

All your doing is echoing the right wing propagandists. Maybe try reading something factual on the topic, or at least provide me with some sort of evidence. You probably do not do this however because almost all of such "evidence" that would back your claims is easily debunkable.



Yes they are all picking fruit and scrubbing toilets. Again do you think they are coming here and working as business executives? Or getting degrees? I mean, what else do you think they are doing?

And I don't believe those estimates for one second. Where are they from?



Again your the horridly uninformed one. You realize you think like 1/17th of america is illegal...

What on earth is tp? Toilet paper? I don't see how toilet paper could make opinions...

TP is a talking point. It's used by whatever it is your reading to put out a message.

It's clear you're very comfortable with what you have been taught. It's also very clear that effort has successfully achieved it's goal. One of the great complaints about education today is this agenda driven agenda that can best be described as propaganda.

By the way, did you know in many state, California for example, illegal aliens are treated as residents when it comes to taxpayer supported colleges and universities, and as a result of recent legislation, can receive financial assistance. So to answer the "getting degrees" question, the answer is yes.

You're grossly uninformed, and I think it's a good thing for people to read posts from people like you so the complaints about education and the like can be illustrated and proven true.

By all means, keep posting.

Happy New Year!!
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Not a fan of hate speech, but you can't take speech you don't like and try to link it to events. Bottom line, the speech didn't do it. The person did.

18 U.S. Code § 2102 - Definitions...
(b) As used in this chapter, the term “to incite a riot”, or “to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot”, includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts.

So here's the thing.
You're right that you can't always legally link speech alone to events and that the speech didn't do it the person did.
In instances like this, for example, the people stirring the pot have the experience to know that too and they're careful not to cross that line (in a provable sense) but you know they depend on the pot to make the leap themselves.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

No.

In these cases he is stating fact, and people have every right to be mad that those cops where acquitted.

I have problems with him, but they don't stem from this.

If anybody is "race baiting" its the right with their constant denial, excuses, and accusations.

All he does is race bait. I don't care if he happens to get one right now and then because his only goal is to race bait, in the end. He is scum.

The police getting off or not, not sure what case you are referring to, is about crime or the legal system failing.... not race.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Oh I'm sorry they pick tomatoes to...

You have no idea what your talking about dude... If it weren't for them food prices would be through the roof. They do take other jobs, but they all amount to menial labour. Its not like they are working in offices or even taking skilled construction jobs...

Maybe you should do some research into what food would cost without em...

How are ILLEGAL immigrants going to gain skilled positions?

Food used to cost next to nothing back in the day and there were little to no illegal immigrants picking the food. They were legal Latino immigrants or they were white farmers.

The inner city has been dissatisfied for a long long time. We would be pissed about this no matter what. You seem to not have a clue...

Maybe you should do something about solving the problems then... supporting law enforcement, reducing crime and gangs would be a GREAT first step.

Attacking cops, rioting and looting your own community? Idiotic.

Wrong.

Those cops should be behind bars or worse...

The prosecutor should be to, he at least should be stripped of all licenses....

The cops in the Garner case? Only that one should be behind bars. I agree with that for sure. The choke holder should be in prison.

The D.A. presented evidence to the Grand Jury. It was not enough. If you have evidence of criminal wrong doing by the D.A. then please present it.

What a hilarious notion. Where did either say that?

Obviously that is what much of White America is hearing... maybe he should change his idiotic tune if he wants support instead of accusation? Only seems intelligent.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

18 U.S. Code § 2102 - Definitions...
(b) As used in this chapter, the term “to incite a riot”, or “to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot”, includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts.

So here's the thing.
You're right that you can't always legally link speech alone to events and that the speech didn't do it the person did.
In instances like this, for example, the people stirring the pot have the experience to know that too and they're careful not to cross that line (in a provable sense) but you know they depend on the pot to make the leap themselves.

If you go down that road, sooner or later we'll all be linked to something we said. No, it's laziness and poor logic to try and blame those who try to throw light on a problem with mere words.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

If you go down that road, sooner or later we'll all be linked to something we said. No, it's laziness and poor logic to try and blame those who try to throw light on a problem with mere words.

That would mean there'd be no effective difference between something you say on DP and something Sharpton says on camera before his crowd of amped up followers.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

How are ILLEGAL immigrants going to gain skilled positions?

Idk he was talking about all these jobs they where stealing from Americans... My point was they take jobs anybody with a ss number would not want...

[/quote]Food used to cost next to nothing back in the day and there were little to no illegal immigrants picking the food. They were legal Latino immigrants or they were white farmers.
That's true, but the population has grown drastically since then, and we have moved from a more productive organic system to a less producing commercial one. The commercial one takes more man power to operate, but produces less and less healthy food...

A fun fact about that is during ww2 30 to 40% of food was grown by private citizens in "victory gardens"



Maybe you should do something about solving the problems then... supporting law enforcement, reducing crime and gangs would be a GREAT first step.

I will happily support law enforcement the day they stop harassing people, and breaking the law. Until then I certainly will not.

You wanna lower the crime rate? End drug prohibition. It would lower the crime rate drastically not just for drugs, but across the board. Drug dealers for example would not shoot one another any more, or be drug dealers.

Attacking cops, rioting and looting your own community? Idiotic.

Ummm never said anything like that.and furthermore there was very little looting in comparison with the amount of peaceful protestors, and some of the protestors protected business from looters. When you have people in a poor economic situation, of course some are going to try to capitalize and loot in situations like this.

The cops in the Garner case? Only that one should be behind bars. I agree with that for sure. The choke holder should be in prison.

Certainly garner and brown. Not to mention a whole slew of other one. Like the three that shot two black men in a drug sting in Ferguson (I think, it was somewhere around stl) because they claimed the car moved forward. The other ten said it did not. The same prosecutor got them off.

Or the ones in philly that savagely beat three zip tied murder suspects for 15 minutes, even though they where obviously already apprehended.

The D.A. presented evidence to the Grand Jury. It was not enough. If you have evidence of criminal wrong doing by the D.A. then please present it.

Its all over the web just Google Bob mccullah.

For one he put a known liar that interjects herself into these types of cases in order to get attention. It is well documented she was not there, and she is the only witness that corroborated Wilson's story. (Witness 40)

I can't detail it all right now, theirs just to much...



Obviously that is what much of White America is hearing... maybe he should change his idiotic tune if he wants support instead of accusation? Only seems intelligent.

Sharpton and the black community has every right to make accusations.

What would he change is tune to? Support the police that have for decades killed and abused us? That would be idiotic.

And the whole race baiting thing is a bs right wing accusation, just like saying he never speaks out about black on black violence.

He is not race baiting, he is preaching to his community, and most of what he says is true.

To say he is race baiting is actually a comically flawed statement. I mean, unless trying to influence a community to protest peacefully is race baiting, and if it is I am all for.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

All he does is race bait. I don't care if he happens to get one right now and then because his only goal is to race bait, in the end. He is scum.

The police getting off or not, not sure what case you are referring to, is about crime or the legal system failing.... not race.

No police are scum.

Ferguson, NYC, and many MANY other instances over the years. Some don't even leave the locality they happen in. There are websites dedicated to documenting it. Surprisingly Cato has one that William Packman started. I guess bipartisanship isn't totally dead....

Again he is not race baiting, unless you count trying to get his insanely pissed off community to protest peacefully "race baiting."
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

That would mean there'd be no effective difference between something you say on DP and something Sharpton says on camera before his crowd of amped up followers.

And there really isn't. We're responsible for our actions no matter what someone says. Your logic leads to no one being able to speak on anything. That's unacceptable and full of traps. You should let it go.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

And there really isn't. We're responsible for our actions no matter what someone says. Your logic leads to no one being able to speak on anything. That's unacceptable and full of traps. You should let it go.


Please Note: I said effective difference. Not legal difference.
If you said the same things, if you think you would have the same influence as Sharpton on his cabal you're mistaken.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

It was a combination of things that led to the officer's deaths.It was the media for painting it as racist cop kills innocent black person.It was the professional race antagonizers and politicians for stirring the pot.It was the media again for giving those degenerate race antagonizers and politicians a soap box to stand on.Most of the blame is on the guy who murdered the officers. If the media reported it as "unarmed suspect killed will resisting arrest" and "unarmed suspect killed while allegedly assaulting officer" and the media did not give a soap box to race antagonizers then most likely these officers would still be alive.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433

It was a combination of things that led to the officer's deaths.It was the media for painting it as racist cop kills innocent black person.It was the professional race antagonizers and politicians for stirring the pot.It was the media again for giving those degenerate race antagonizers and politicians a soap box to stand on.Most of the blame is on the guy who murdered the officers. If the media reported it as "unarmed suspect killed will resisting arrest" and "unarmed suspect killed while allegedly assaulting officer" and the media did not give a soap box to race antagonizers then most likely these officers would still be alive.

No it most certainly was not.

This guy was very unstable, had a lengthy rap sheet, had mental issues, and just went nuts. He would have likely done this with or without the media. Maybe he would have done it in Baltimore if he never heard of garner, but cops still would have died.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

TP is a talking point. It's used by whatever it is your reading to put out a message.

Yes I know what a talking point is.... Just not the abbreviation tp... To me tp is mountain money...


It's clear you're very comfortable with what you have been taught. It's also very clear that effort has successfully achieved it's goal. One of the great complaints about education today is this agenda driven agenda that can best be described as propaganda.

Haha I'm mostly self educated...

If anything education is conservative propaganda. It teaches you the great things about America, and glosses over or skips the terrible ones.

By the way, did you know in many state, California for example, illegal aliens are treated as residents when it comes to taxpayer supported colleges and universities, and as a result of recent legislation, can receive financial assistance. So to answer the "getting degrees" question, the answer is yes.

Good. America should have free education and no private school. Private school is a huge drain on the economy and academic wealth fare of the poor and middle class...

But that still begs the question of how are they going to get jobs with those degrees?

And California also deports people illegally. I have a friend that was deported, even though he was brought here when he was two, technically making it illegal to deport him.

You're grossly uninformed, and I think it's a good thing for people to read posts from people like you so the complaints about education and the like can be illustrated and proven true.

Hilarious... I'm not the one arguing illegal aliens are draining the economy and getting jobs they cant possibly get without a social security number...

Again go educate yourself on both sides of the topic...
 
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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Please Note: I said effective difference. Not legal difference.
If you said the same things, if you think you would have the same influence as Sharpton on his cabal you're mistaken.

It's not even that much of an effective difference. Any idiot could pull off here as easily as on TV. And it today's world, it's probably more likely someone would get it here.

And you're just letting your hate blind you. Sharpton has far less influence than you think.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Yes I know what a talking point is.... Just not the abbreviation tp... To me tp is mountain money...




Haha I'm mostly self educated...

If anything education is conservative propaganda. It teaches you the great things about America, and glosses over or skips the terrible ones.



Good. America should have free education and no private school. Private school is a huge drain on the economy and academic wealth fare of the poor and middle class...

But that still begs the question of how are they going to get jobs with those degrees?

And California also deports people illegally. I have a friend that was deported, even though he was brought here when he was two, technically making it illegal to deport him.



Hilarious... I'm not the one arguing illegal aliens are draining the economy and getting jobs they cant possibly get without a social security number...

Again go educate yourself on both sides of the topic...

LOL. Kid, you're a long way from giving someone advice. Apparently your personal classroom not only glossed over some important things, it left others completely off the chalk board.

No social security number? :lamo

You're so clueless, I'm now of the belief you don't actually exist, and you're just an internet phantom someone is playing with.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

It's not even that much of an effective difference. Any idiot could pull off here as easily as on TV. And it today's world, it's probably more likely someone would get it here.
It sure is looking like you're just not getting it at all.
To be charitable, maybe it's intentional.
I don't know how else to say it so I'll just come right out and tell you that you have absolutely no influence with the Sharpton crowd.
None at all.
Hope that didn't sting too badly.

And you're just letting your hate blind you. Sharpton has far less influence than you think.
My hate?
We're talking about Sharpton's history & remarks and you're talking my hate?
By the way, someone with no influence doesn't get into the WH over 20 times.
Sheesh. Talk about being blind.
.....
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

It's not even that much of an effective difference. Any idiot could pull off here as easily as on TV. And it today's world, it's probably more likely someone would get it here.

And you're just letting your hate blind you. Sharpton has far less influence than you think.

So his 61 visits to the WH mean nothing...
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

The race hustlers on both sides want us to focus on race. One side wants it to be about race, and the other wants to loudly denounce that it has anything to do with race (both of which are oversimplifications). What they don't want us to focus on is the police becoming too powerful.

Going around making accusations about Sharpton is doing just that. It gives people something to shout about that isn't what the issue really is.




That's rich...

"yer a racist"

"no I'm not"

is equal race baiting to you?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

LOL. Kid, you're a long way from giving someone advice. Apparently your personal classroom not only glossed over some important things, it left others completely off the chalk board.

No social security number? :lamo

You're so clueless, I'm now of the belief you don't actually exist, and you're just an internet phantom someone is playing with.
Son, if you don't have a social, you ain't getting a good job. Love how you totally gloss over that...

No I'm really not. Your the one spouting random fallacy with no supporting evidence whatsoever.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

That's rich...

"yer a racist"

"no I'm not"

is equal race baiting to you?

That's not what's going on, but you wouldn't understand that. Why try to explain it when there's a perfectly good wall to bang my head against.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?


Hard to follow your quoting above, but yes, your hate. Some without hate is a little more objective.

And no, mere visits to the WH house doesn't equal true influence among average people. No. No one who kills is a part of mine or Sharpton's crowd. No one benefits from it.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

So his 61 visits to the WH mean nothing...

To the average person, yes. They mean nothing.
 
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