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Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433]

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?


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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

Al Sharpton's race hustling and poverty pimping are long known and he's a frequent guest to the Obama whitehouse, but in recent days Sharpton led a rally in NYC where "What Do We Want?… Dead Cops!” was shouted. As we know, two of NYPD's finest were executed by a man who may be an islamist. The two cops weren't even white-just cops.
Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Because someone in the crowd shouted something bad - and I'm taking your word that it happened - you're assuming that Sharpton must have heard it, and that Sharpton must have caused it.

Gotta watch those assumptions...they don't lead to good places....
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W


Thanks, I found one too that listed 42 top donors. Most of them are corporations. Corporations are easy targets for shakedowns so they pay money to avoid one like an organized boycott etc. Over the weekend in the biggest mall in the country in Minneapolis there was an organized protest that got out of hand. My curiosity is raised if any of those protesters bothered stores in the mall that are on the "big donor" list like Macy's.

Sharpton Annual Conference Again Heavily Corporate-Funded | National Legal and Policy Center
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

At no point did I absolve the shooter of his responsibility in the matter.....
Kinda seems like you did. Anyway....


But only an utter fool would fail to see the connection between the anti-cop hate speech and rhetoric directed at NYC police officers in general following the Garner GJ decision and a man traveling from Baltimore to NYC in order to seek out retribution against police officers.
Only an utter fool would ignore how:
• Almost all of the protests in NYC have been peaceful
• Neither Sharpton, nor Di Blasio, nor Garner's family, or any major public figure has in any way suggested assaulting police officers
• Brinsley shot his ex-girlfriend in Baltimore -- is that also Sharpton's fault?
• Brinsley was not political, was not associated with any political activism or political groups, and wasn't motivated by politics
• Brinsley was probably going to murder someone, some day, and his choice of victims doesn't have any real political significance


Go ahead, explain why the man didn't just shoot a couple of cops in Baltimore if his actions had nothing to do with the anti-cop speech directed at NYC police officers.
Go ahead, explain why he shot his girlfriend first. Explain why he didn't go to Staten Island, which is where Garner was killed. Why he didn't try to track down Officer Pantaleo, who put Garner in a choke hold. How he was inspired by Sharpton, who wasn't advocating violence. How he was inspired by Garner's family, who wasn't advocating violence either. How tens of thousands of peaceful protestors, who are protesting against the illegitimate use of violence, pushed someone to shoot two cops.

I mean, really, how is this supposed to work? Did he watch a video of a bunch of drunken bros in Santa outfits yelling at police brutality protestors, and become overwhelmed with rage? Maybe he listened to some Judas Priest before committing suicide? Maybe he played too many video games? No wait, I've got it. He watched The Matrix one time too many. Keanu Reeves now has blood on his hands!

Last week, a man named Bradley Stone shot 6 people in Philadelphia. Which Social Justice Warriors are to blame for this? Who has blood on their hands for Stone's actions?

Or maybe... just maybe... Brinley was mentally disturbed, it was just a matter of time before he shot someone, and his choice of victims had no actual political purpose, and it's absurd to treat it that way. Just a thought.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Or hel even come out that day and say "they ain't us". but they didn't.

That's what I'm doing right now. But you already made up your mind, so the facts don't make a difference.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

I'm just going by what I saw. And you are right, maybe I misread something, I am looking for the flier.




I will concede this, I can't find it. let me amend my position. when this **** was happening, and the garbage cans rained down from stories above onto unsuspecting cops, when white upper middle class CUNY dudes attack cops on the brooklyn bridge, these same "organizers" need to come out and say this is not us. they don't until another funeral is planned.

Here's the flyer:

http://media.wix.com/ugd/881d51_7635024e75384856b8f34a812c56aeb1.pdf
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

:doh Yeah. I'm sure that the professor who was throwing metal trash cans off a bridge at cops was a secret conservative, as were the protestors who attacked the police when they moved in to arrest him. All of them there just to make Sharpton & Co. look bad :roll:


this is a famous left wing tactic (Salinsky used to advise college students to protest in favor of Republicans while publicly associating themselves with the KKK, and famously there was the call to infiltrate the Tea Party protests with racist signs), but not one that I've seen the right use much.

I didn't claim that the violent or destructive protesters were not supporters of the cause or were trying to discredit the cause, most probably are supporters, but they are still idiots that the protest organizers can not be held responsible for. I have seen those idiots show up and cause trouble at otherwise peaceful protests on several occasions. In many cases, other protesters have attempted to stop violence or destruction.

Under CointelPro, government agents did urge or commit violence to discredit protesters. There have been a few people caught doing the same more recently, but I don't claim that they are the majority of the violent/destructive element at protests. There are always idiots looking for an opportunity, such as a large protest, where they can get away with being destructive.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Indeed. Normally, people with such, err, 'colored' past aren't welcomed at the White House.

Sharpton Owes $4M in taxes, Still hasn't paid his legal obligations for damages from the Tawana Brawley case.

The guy is a real piece of work. You know he started out as a drug hustler for a street gang until he turned on them as an informant, right?

Such a (*cough*) trustworthy (*cough*) fellow, and welcomed at Obama's White House, frequently. Just goes to show you, this is far from any sort of 'post racial' president, as he once claimed of himself.

They are just two con men who understand each other-Sharpton and Obama.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Since so many conservatives are deseperately attempting to suggest that blaming Al Sharpton is legitimate here...

It shouldn't be hard for one of them to provide me a quote from Al Sharpton encouraging, or calling for, any criminal act in regards to these recent killings.

So there you go. Provide me with a link of Sharpton advocating for an illegal action to be done. If tha can be provided I'll get right on board with the accusation that Sharpton is guilty of inciting this crime.

Note...showing a youtube video of one random protest that is advocating for a crime, and then showing a youtube video of an entirely seperate protest that Sharpton is a part of that isn't advocating for a crime, and then trying to equate them as being the exact same thing and thus Sharpton is guilty is NOT a legitiamte argument.

We both know that sharpton has contributed to the rhetoric and overall atmosphere here, if you want to hide behind him actually calling for the deaths of cops-knock yourself out but that doesn't change what he's presided over. Sharpton has significantly increased racial tensions in this nation, and racial tensions contributed to the deaths of these officers. Again, we both know that.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

I think the perception among quite a lot of whites that Sharpton and the protests had a lot to do with the death of the 2 NYPD officers. But perceptions may not be real and may have little or no facts, truths to back them up. But how people perceive things leads them to their conclusions of what is happening and going on.

I believe that Sharpton has greatly exacerbated racial tension for his personal benefit and that contributed to the deaths of these two officers.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?


So looking at their flyer, website, and seemingly press release.

Not a single mention of Sharpton that I've been able to find yet.

Not a single mention of NAN I've been able to find yet.

Claims that it was founded and organized by Synead Nichols and Umaara Iynaas, not Al Sharpton.

Evidence that Sharpton was in DC, not in New York, on December 13th.

The protest organized by Sharpton and NAN was in Washington DC, not in New York City

The Protest organized by Sharpton and NAN was called "The Justice for All" March, not the "Millions March".

(Source 1 for the last three statements)



At the protest in DC on December 13th called the "Justice for All" march had Sharpton stating that they are not anti police.

Yet people on this thread continue to declare that Sharpton led chants and calls for cops to lose their lives, that he organized the protests in new york, and that he contributed to the death of these two cops.

And for some reason pointing out the reality and the absurdity of suggesting Sharpton is somehow culpable for the murders means you're a sharpton apologist to some posters
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

if you want to hide behind him actually calling for the deaths of cops-knock yourself out but that doesn't change what he's presided over.

Yes, I want to "hide" behind actual facts and reality as opposed to the dishonest mirepresentations and outright falsehoods you and others have claimedm while dealing with the question you ask. How crazy of me.

I'm sorry your asinine, dishonest, incorrect, ridiculous assertions were called out for the bull**** they are and now you're desperately trying to move the goal posts, but the reality is that what you initially were claiming was flat out wrong. It was either an outright lie or a horrible and ridiculous error on your part. The fact that you attack people for daring to point out your failure, and instead try to change the topic rather than admit your mistake, speaks volumes.
 
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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

maybe the media contributed more than everyone put together i guess al Sharpton and holder should just shut up and let the cops keep killing people at will.. a lot of certain people would be so happy....

This is part of the false narrative that contributes to these racial tensions-and from none other then the reverend al.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

My understanding is that Sharpton was leading a march in Washington D.C. at the time the protesters in NYC were chanting about killing cops.

I've heard nothing at all that indicated Sharpton supported the idea of killing cops, either tacitly or implicitly.

It's also my understanding that both Sharpton and Gwen Carr (Eric Garner's mother) have condemned the police killings in NYC.

I think Sharpton is a race hustling douchebag, but I don't see how he can be tied to the execution of police officers.

I didn't vote in the poll because I don't really lean one way or the other in general (though I do lean given particular issues).

As I understand it, he helped put on 3 protests that same day, I think in NYC, DC, and Kansas City. He already knew the violent tendencies of those "peaceful protestors" because they have been "peacefully protesting" by shooting cops, burning down local businesses, attacking cops, blocking traffic, etc. Its been building for months now.

Did he pull the trigger? No. Did he contribute to the atmosphere that's caused this mess? Absolutely.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

this is a famous left wing tactic (Salinsky used to advise college students to protest in favor of Republicans while publicly associating themselves with the KKK, and famously there was the call to infiltrate the Tea Party protests with racist signs), but not one that I've seen the right use much.

That is true but things are changing and the right is spitting many of the lefts game right back at them.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

So looking at their flyer, website, and seemingly press release.

Not a single mention of Sharpton that I've been able to find yet.

Not a single mention of NAN I've been able to find yet.

Claims that it was founded and organized by Synead Nichols and Umaara Iynaas, not Al Sharpton.

Evidence that Sharpton was in DC, not in New York, on December 13th.

The protest organized by Sharpton and NAN was in Washington DC, not in New York City

The Protest organized by Sharpton and NAN was called "The Justice for All" March, not the "Millions March".

(Source 1 for the last three statements)



At the protest in DC on December 13th called the "Justice for All" march had Sharpton stating that they are not anti police.

Yet people on this thread continue to declare that Sharpton led chants and calls for cops to lose their lives, that he organized the protests in new york, and that he contributed to the death of these two cops.

And for some reason pointing out the reality and the absurdity of suggesting Sharpton is somehow culpable for the murders means you're a sharpton apologist to some posters


I didn't say the protest was organized by Sharpton.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

I didn't say the protest was organized by Sharpton.

I know. I quoted your post simply because it provided that flyer. Others were saying that the march was organized by Sharpton, so your post...specifically the link in it...helped show why those claims were problematic. That's why I thanked the post
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

I believe that Sharpton has greatly exacerbated racial tension for his personal benefit and that contributed to the deaths of these two officers.

I agree that Sharpton has feed the flames of racial tensions. He is a lightning rod. But If I read right the one who shot the police officers was an mental case. Although with mental cases Shapton could have been what tipped him to act. We will never know.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Okay.

That's not what's being discussed in this thread. It's not being asked in this thread whether or not he was being irresponsible or if he was inflaming the situation. The words and videos in the op? Those weren't suggesting that he was accint irresponsible, those were suggesting he was contributing to their deaths. Those people in this thread, like Kobie for instance, criticising things...they're criticising the notion that's the topic of this thread which is that the OP suggest he's contributing to their deaths.

What you're in here arguing is not what is being asked, and it's why you've got people disagreeing with you and having issues with you, because you're coming in and stating things and disagreeing with people who are saying he's not responsible for contributing to their death.

When people are saying he wasn't there, he wasn't leading any chant, he wasn't calling for peoples death, this question is ridiculous, the answer is no...and then you come in talking about how the killer acted "at least partially" on sharpton's "rabble rousing" and demanding proof that he denounced those protesters...how exactly are people supposed to respond it it OTHER than you seemingly defending the notion that he contributed to those cops death?

Words do count towards actions, which is why people have to guard their words carefully, but also understand what the lasting impact of their words are.

Sharpton didn't want innocent cops killed. He never called for killing cops. But to suggest that he hasn't fanned the flames is ridiculous. And the fact that everyone from MSNBC to the President of the United States give him a forum to fan the flames is even more ridiculous. Sorry, he does not deserve to just get to say "Oh well, lotta nuts out there, let's get back to saying black lives matter and the cops are killing black men" without learning a lesson isn't right to anyone in this country.

I'm sorry, but without any apologies I will say Al Sharpton absolutely has some ownership of what happened in this situation. He does. So does de Blasio, so does Michael Brown's stepfather, so does the media, so does whoever was in charge of that protest where those people were chanting (I see the SEIU's name was on that flyer, among others), so do a lot of people. The only innocent ones here are the 2 dead men. I wish I saw as much sympathy for them as I do people rushing to relieve Al Sharpton of any responsibility whatsoever with the crap that's happened in this country in recent years.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Are you really suggesting it's hard to suggest a potential reason why he would've shot a couple of cops in New York instead of in Baltimore OTHER than because of "anti-cop speech direct at NYC Police Officers"?

Okay, I'll give it a try.

A reason he may've decided to shoot NYC cops instead of Baltimore cops is because Garner was killed by NYC cops, and thus he may've wanted to kill people on the police for that killed garner.

There, that wasn't very hard to come up with a reason that didn't have to do with "speech" at all, and said reason has just as much legitimacy (arguably more, based on him directly talking about garner being killed, not about protests about garner being killed) as what you're suggesting.

Seriously? Nice try though.

Had you heard about the Garner death prior to the Ferguson GJ decision and then the Garner GJ decision? I don't remember seeing any "breaking news" or other threads on the incident and I don't believe it was big news anywhere in the US except maybe locally in NYC. It became big news and widely reported in the context of Ferguson and the press following the reaction in the aftermath.

I don't think for a minute that this guy would be avenging Garner's death if the race baiters and protest pimps weren't all over the news and media claiming the NYC cops were racist killers. That's your connection, period.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Sharpton didn't want innocent cops killed. He never called for killing cops. But to suggest that he hasn't fanned the flames is ridiculous.

Who is saying he hasn't been inflaming the situation or helping to whip up the anger that's out there?

People disagreeing with the OP and the question asked in the poll is not the same as disagreeing that Sharpton hasn't been working people up.

This thread's original post and poll weren't asking if he "fanned the flames" of anger over the issue...it asked if he contributed to the death of these cops. Those are ENTIRELY seperate things.

It also suggested that he did the very thing you say he didn't do...that he wanted innocent cops to be killed. That he specifically led calls for innocent cops to be killed.

I'm sorry you want to be pissy that people aren't just ignoring the lunacy of this topic or the fraudulent claims made throughout it and instead focusing on an entirely seperate thing that isn't what was asked in this thread...but that's what happens when you start a thread asking if he contributed to a murder by doing something he factually did not do.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Give me the quote where Sharpton advocates violence against cops.

I didn't say he did - show me where I did. The title of the thread is "Did Al Sharpton's Rhetoric Contribute.........."

Do try to keep up.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Seriously? Nice try though.

Oh really? Nice try.

You're seriously suggesting that in answer to the question of "Why did he drive to New York to kill cops instead of Baltimore" that "Because NYC cops are who killed Garner" isn't a legitimate possability?

Give me a ****ing break.

Had you heard about the Garner death prior to the Ferguson GJ decision and then the Garner GJ decision?

Entirely irrelevant to whether or not his motivation to go to New York to kill cops instead of Baltimore could've been based on a desire to take revenge on NYC cops as oppposed to because protesters in new york said "kill cops".

You put forth a ridiculous hypothetical, make a stupid assertion about it, and then are trying to back track and change the goal posts when a legitimate answer to you dumb hypothetical was given.

The question was "Would he have done this if there wasn't so much attention on the issue". The question was why did he got to New York when he could've just killed cops in Baltimore.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Kinda seems like you did. Anyway....



Only an utter fool would ignore how:
• Almost all of the protests in NYC have been peaceful
• Neither Sharpton, nor Di Blasio, nor Garner's family, or any major public figure has in any way suggested assaulting police officers
• Brinsley shot his ex-girlfriend in Baltimore -- is that also Sharpton's fault?
• Brinsley was not political, was not associated with any political activism or political groups, and wasn't motivated by politics
• Brinsley was probably going to murder someone, some day, and his choice of victims doesn't have any real political significance



Go ahead, explain why he shot his girlfriend first. Explain why he didn't go to Staten Island, which is where Garner was killed. Why he didn't try to track down Officer Pantaleo, who put Garner in a choke hold. How he was inspired by Sharpton, who wasn't advocating violence. How he was inspired by Garner's family, who wasn't advocating violence either. How tens of thousands of peaceful protestors, who are protesting against the illegitimate use of violence, pushed someone to shoot two cops.

I mean, really, how is this supposed to work? Did he watch a video of a bunch of drunken bros in Santa outfits yelling at police brutality protestors, and become overwhelmed with rage? Maybe he listened to some Judas Priest before committing suicide? Maybe he played too many video games? No wait, I've got it. He watched The Matrix one time too many. Keanu Reeves now has blood on his hands!

Last week, a man named Bradley Stone shot 6 people in Philadelphia. Which Social Justice Warriors are to blame for this? Who has blood on their hands for Stone's actions?

Or maybe... just maybe... Brinley was mentally disturbed, it was just a matter of time before he shot someone, and his choice of victims had no actual political purpose, and it's absurd to treat it that way. Just a thought.

You can toss all the non-relevant chum into the waters you want - doesn't change the facts. But keep excusing the anti-cop hate speech and the race baiting pimps and you'll continue to have these kinds of incidents.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

I don't have access to those books. Do you have any link online that has evidence to Obama meeting with Military advisers less than 61 times over 5 years?

It's being reported that it's now 84 times that Sharpton has visited the Obama White House and it's being reported that Sharpton is advising Obama.

It's also being reported that Rachele Maddow is also showing up at the White House. Not being reported if Maddow is advising Obama or if Obama is advising Maddow.
 
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